mildcustom2
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I don't need to make myself look smart. I'm not the guy giving advice about a firearm he doesn't have a clue about. Have a good night !!!
Rfb, xcr.
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I don't need to make myself look smart. I'm not the guy giving advice about a firearm he doesn't have a clue about. Have a good night !!!
The one playing expert spewing wrong information is the one that need to grow up. Obviously you have only heard of the RFB yet ...
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Never really like threads about one rifle vs the other as these two rifles only share a few things. I own both and love both. Both have there short comings in there respective areas but at the same time far exceed each other in others. Until you have a chance to handle and field both I leave judgment up to the user. YouTube and google will only tell you so much, first hand experience rules.
mildcustom2
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Dude, you need a new line. That ones getting old. Maybe try dont write cheques with your mouth that your not prepared to cash with your @$$
Getting back on topic here, I was out with my RFB and put 50 rounds of factory ammo and several different types of my own reloads down the pipe. I absolutely love this rifle and prefer it as my fun gun between it and my XCR-M to shoot.
Is the man cave close to Edmonton? If so I'd be happy to meet you at my range to show you and let you shoot the RFB. Then you will know first hand. I only shoot on weekdays though, Too many GI-Joe's at my range on weekends.
Lesson of the day, don't post stuff on CGN that is based on some guy told me unless you do a little research first.
There are lots of guys on here that actually own these rifles that are more than happy to chime in and pump up their rifle and tell everyone that it is the greatest rifle ever built and that all others are crap.
Don't take anything said on here to seriously, This site is full of industry experts living in their moms basement posting all day long waiting to jump on a newb
Is the man cave close to Edmonton? If so I'd be happy to meet you at my range to show you and let you shoot the RFB. Then you will know first hand. I only shoot on weekdays though, Too many GI-Joe's at my range on weekends.
Lesson of the day, don't post stuff on CGN that is based on some guy told me unless you do a little research first.
There are lots of guys on here that actually own these rifles that are more than happy to chime in and pump up their rifle and tell everyone that it is the greatest rifle ever built and that all others are crap.
Don't take anything said on here to seriously, This site is full of industry experts living in their moms basement posting all day long waiting to jump on a newb
also to add, dont start a tread with a sale guy at a gun shop told me....
Are cheques those archaic piece of parchment used by folks living in "Man Cave" for trading goods who are not aware of electronic transfer methods.
OTOH classic quotes lives on. Oldies but goodies like the m305/14 for cheap 308 fun.
OTOH classic quotes lives on. Oldies but goodies like the m305/14 for cheap 308 fun.
mildcustom2
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I can't really tell you what one looks like as I have never seen one first hand. What an odd way to exchange money. Hasn't the Internet been around sine the beginning of man?
Right now I'd still opt for the RFB over the XCr-M. Every now and then I get the urge to get the XCR-M. It has great ergonomics and is basically a non restricted version of my AR10 rifles!! That right there is the problem. It's a non restricted version like my AR10 rifles but nowhere near as accurate. You have comparable accuracy from the RFB and XCR-M with the XCR-M most likely edging out the RFB in this part mostly due to it being easier to fire benched. The RFB is significantly smaller, and while the ergos aren't as fast it is completely ambi including front ejection of the brass and swapable charging handle.
For me, when the XCR-M comes with a 20" SS 1:11.25 twist match grade barrel along with good accuracy tests then I will consider one. Right now it's hit and miss as the barrel like the RFB is a Chrome lined affair meant for higher volume rather than accuracy. Plus they are both piston systems which also tends to add to accuracy loss.
Bottom line. Either one is cool and there are advantages/disadvantages. Again I personally think if the XCR-M wanted to be the clear winner then there should be a match grade barrel version available. I would buy that.
For me, when the XCR-M comes with a 20" SS 1:11.25 twist match grade barrel along with good accuracy tests then I will consider one. Right now it's hit and miss as the barrel like the RFB is a Chrome lined affair meant for higher volume rather than accuracy. Plus they are both piston systems which also tends to add to accuracy loss.
Bottom line. Either one is cool and there are advantages/disadvantages. Again I personally think if the XCR-M wanted to be the clear winner then there should be a match grade barrel version available. I would buy that.
First off, thanks for bringing the thread back on topic...
Secondly, I agree with your statement on a match grade barrel and hope that someone in Canada decides to attempt to give it a try one day.
The one thing I'm confused about is that there are several shooters on the U.S. forums claiming that the XCR-M is a 1MOA rifle right out of the box, and it consistently out performs the SCAR-17.... Are they getting a different rifle down there?
I have not found my XCR-M to be a 1MOA rifle, but I do find it to be more accurate than my RFB's
Just remember everything shoots sub 1 moa on the internet!!
There are a few things with the RFB accuracy. It has a long throat and since it doesn't have a locking bolt (tilting block design instead) the support at the neck of the cartridge seems to play a part in accuracy. Stormtrooper and a few others have found 145 MFS shoots pretty decent. I have some of this ammo and hope to try it out. Also others have found OAL of 2.76 was the ticket. Amax rounds apparently have been used in the states as the jump isn't as critical with the 168 Amax compared to the SMK and berger. Lots of stuff to try. Even after all that just above 1 moa would be the best you could do. You're still using a non match chrome lined barrel. Which is something the internet seems to constantly forget. The action dynamic, the ammo, trigger and barrel. The most accurate semi auto rifles still follow the tried and true of a precision rifle. What was true for accuracy in such things as the book "The accurate rifle" are still in play today. Even with a Stainless Steel match barrel 3/4 moa would be exceptional with the right ammo. 1 moa being hopefully achieved. You still have the piston system and non free floated barrel robbing accuracy. 1 moa would be excellent. A real consistent 1 moa, not the best groups of the day 1 moa.
One of the problems is the accuracy seen with bolt guns these days and AR15/AR10 rifles makes the expectations very high. People forget that the AR rifles follow the same blue prints as precision rifles. Free float barrel, locking bolt, match trigger, match barrels, synthetic stock (entire receiver and stock) and add match ammo. The Direct Impingement AR rifles don't produce the barrel harmonic issues that a piston system semi auto including piston system AR rifles produces (ADCOR being the exception as it's a hybrid design).
I'd love to see a XCR-M done up for precision. I had hopes for the 24" "hunter" RFB model but it seems to be just a 24" Chrome lined barrel version. In which case I'd rather keep my 18.5" RFB anyways.
Thanks for the thoughts guys, though I should have known a 'x vs y' thread may get out of hand for a bit ha. Truthfully, if I can be shooting 1.5 moa I will be more than happy. I am not expecting to do much bullseye type shooting at the range, more water melon and plastic bottles at 400 type of work, so I guess my biggest requirement is in fact mobility for hunting and driving around. As a lefty I really like the forward ejecting idea, so I think if I am able to find someone willing to trade or sell, the rfb is the way I would like to go.
How well do the rfb's sling? Because that is pretty key for hunting. I did one hunt without one; never again.
How well do the rfb's sling? Because that is pretty key for hunting. I did one hunt without one; never again.
I had mine on the factory sling across my back for a full day on the quad last fall, no problems at all, no barrel hanging out to catch on passing trees.
Dmitri, empty your inbox. thnx.
It's a 1 1/4 inch wide soft nylon sling that mounts to the side of the rifle (rifle's right side in your and my case, I'm lefty too), so the rifle lies flat against your back, muzzle pointing down and away from your feet and legs. You can squat and kneel with it slung back without any interference. To bring it up, you just reach back to the pistol grip with your left hand and it's on target in 1 second. You will probably find that the charging handle feels better on the right side as the rifle balances perfectly over the pistol grip and your free hand is actually the right.
