Rhineland Arms R22 - Problems with mags - Ideas?

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I just got a minty R22 and picked up a couple of Butler Creek 25 rd mags, one steel (used from the R22 seller) and one new plastic lipped. I noticed right away that the mags are crazy easy to knock out of position when in the rifle - I mean, you can move them around with the end of your finger on the bottom of the mag. Also, the pins on the front/back of the mags that lock the mag into the rifle seem just too short to cach properly in the mag well - they're just barely holding on there, and any pushing or pulling on the bottom of the mags pops the mag right out of place. :eek:

Careful inspection of the rifle around the mag well shows it to be near new, with no dents, bends, significant wear, or significant scratches. I'm convinced the rifle is in the condition it was originally manufactured in, and not broken.

I hit the range today, expecting problems with this, and got them full force. The plastic lipped (new) mag will feed rounds only when I manually work the action - it jams every time when feeding semi-auto. The steel lip mag jams every 3-4 rounds when firing. Both mags are loose, but the steel seems a slight bit firmer. I was shooting Winchester bulk HP's and Remington Subsonic HP's; I did not find any difference in jamming based on ammo. :bangHead:

After I got back home I again carefully looked at the mag well and surrounding areas and it just looks to me like the mags are simply too small for the rifle - like even though Rhineland Arms made this rifle to use Ruger 10/22 mags, it's like they made thier mag well 105% the size it should be, and Ruger mags are just are too loose.

A temporary fix I did was to wrap three layers of black electrical tape around the heads of the mags, making them fit tight in the rifle. I haven't been able to shoot since, but I think this will help significantly. The other thing I'm doing is to make the larger (front) pin on the mag longer, by building it up with JB weld, so that it really grabs into the rifle; which has deep opening that is not being used by the factory mags.

Anyways...I'm not sure my bubba fix will work and I can't be the only guy who has run into this.

What have you done or heard of others doing?
 
what about Shim stock? use a set of calipers and measure the width of the mag well and then measure the mag ,if there is a difference of lets say 30thou mabey try 10thou on each side etc... probley would leave a little room on each side .

if it were me I would try the shim material on the inside of the mag well with a double sided tape to try out the different thickness of shim stock , if you find one that works flawless ? thin epoxy should hold it .
 
I tried my mags with three layers of electrical tape and lengthened pins to hold them in place, along with a change of ammunition to a decidedly rounder bullet. Still seriously frustrated with many jams, maybe every fourth round. Maybe the tape makes them too tight; I seem to remember my 10/22 mag has a slight bit of free play when inserted in my 10/22. I got back home right ticked with the whole thing and found a factory Ruger 10/22 mag to try in the rifle. I haven't been able to shoot it yet, but it is NOT loose in the rifle, actually it's pretty tight. I noticed that the Ruger mag is also distinctly longer (front to back) than the aftermarked BC mags. I'll give it a try as soon as I can - I'm not really wanting to be stuck with puny 10 rd Ruger mags in an R22, but if i find it works I'll get to work building up my BC mags with JB weld or something to be exactly the same dimensions. I'll also try some Stingers next time, as I've heard these R22's prefer them.
 
Just another thought here, have you stripped the gun down and cleaned it to make sure there is no crap in any nooks or crannies?? I had an SKS with issues and it was gummed up hard. Now I never take any gun out to shoot without a full strip, inspection, clean and lube.
 
I have to agree with BC bot but do the repair/shim to the mag and not the gun itself.

if you shim to the mags , they will not be useable in any other firearm specificaly the 10/22 as what the mags are for rendering them useless for any other gun. If you find a shim size that works for the rifle why would you not attach to the rifle .?
 
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