RIA 22 initial review and range report with pics!

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Hi, I just purchased the Rock Island Armory, Armscor, 1022 model, aka M22, aka RIA22. I filmed the unboxing, but of course, the video refuses to upload to youtube so I thought I'd share my first impressions here with you.

First of all, the rifle was in a sealed bag that was set in a foam cutout inside the usual cardboard box. It came with a dovetail rail, mounting screws and a clear Butler Creek single stack 10 round mag. Also found were the usual safety pamphlets and instructions.

When I pulled the rifle out of its bag, I noticed that it was well oiled to protect against rust. A quick look over revealed a millimeter wide chip in the finish on the top of the receiver. I also noticed the the finish had been worn on the edge by the charging handle. The undiscript wood and finish is adaquate at best, slightly above the one of my Chineese SKS. Knowing that I'll probably upgrade to a synthetic stock helps with the small crack showing near the mag well.

The barrel seems free of defects and has a recessed crown. Armscor replaced the military style front sight by a hunting style fiber optic aperature. I liked the idea, but the fiber is so short, that it struggles to capture enough light. The rear sight is adjustable. There was some play in the barrel band and it's screw, along the the action screw had slightly marred heads.

Funny enough, the receipt from the store says that it was "inspected, no dammage" before shipping. I hope that the employee remembers where he forgot his glasses.

Reading the provided manuel, it says that the rifle is ready to shoot out of the box, following a cleaning of the barrel to remove oils. I decided to remove the action from the stock for a more in depth inspection. I found several more chips in the finish on the lower part of the receiver and a surprising amount of left over saw dust in the stock. Someone along the production line also managed to draw a happy face in the inner portion of the forend. It actually made me smile as I was baffled at the finding!

I was not expecting the level of quality of the older Rugers when I ordered this gun, but from the research I had done I was expecting something slightly better than what I received. Yes it was close to 100$ less than the original and it would of been ok if it would of came defect free. The way it sits, I would of expected another 50$ less on the price tag. I strongly debated calling the store and asking for a better example or a rebate. In the end, I finally decided against it as I was half expecting this from the start. I cleaned up the saw dust, applied a bit of touch up paint and that was good enough to make me happy.

I like the metal barrel band, trigger guard and butt plate. The rifle as a whole feels solid and the action is not gritty at all. The safety engages positively and is fonctionnal. The provided mag fits super snug in the action and the two 25 round steel lips that I bought also fit perfectly. Has long as this RIA 22 is a decent shooter, it will have it's place in the gun safe. I will update with a range report, as soon as possible.

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Range report:

Ok, well I didn't make it out to a formal range. I managed to try out the little rifle from an improvised rest that was not ideal. It was pretty windy and about minus 10 Celcius to make things better. I just needed to get out of the house and put it to test. I did not set out with the idea to mount a scope on it on a permanent basis, but since I had a spare 4x scope available, I decided to throw it on for accuracy testing. I torqued down the rail mounting screws to 30ft/lb and everything went fine, until I went to remove it and a screw head broke. Crap, but at least I was done testing the scope.

Functionality wise, things went pretty well for a semi-auto rimfire. The only WTF moment came when I manually inserted single short Remington in the chamber and let the bolt fly. As soon as it closed, the shot went off by it self. My finger was nowhere near the trigger. I dont know if it was ammo defect or that the firing pin was frozen or because the bolt was not slowed down from stripping a round from a mag, but it sure took me by surprise. Good thing I had the muzzle pointed in a safe direction as one should always do.

I was limited on .22 ammo that I could test, the best I could come up was:

1- Winchester 36gr. - .22LR plated hollow point (1280fps)
2- Remington Golden Bullet 29gr. - .22 short high velocity (1095fps)
3-CCI CB 29gr. - .22 short lead round nose (710fps)


I experienced two missfires with the Remington and one with the CCI. All of which fired on the second strike. I only had one FTE with the Winchesters and no FTF, out of 200 rounds. All the other brands were fed and ejected manually as obviously the lower powered rounds could not cycle the action. That was a real joy with the wind coming off the lake. ;)

All groups fired were five shots at about 25 yards. For some reason I kept getting vertical stringing with the CCI. I managed to repeat a few 1" groups with the Rems. The Winchester "333" were excellent providing regular groups in the 3/4" range. They were so accurate, that I could get 1" groups with half an effort, including rapid fire or using the iron sights. I'm sure I could best my 11/16" group with the Winchesters if I had a better rest and better weather. Both the 10 and two 25 rds mags fed like a charm. I did load them about 24 hours prior to season the springs. I could also pop my little Duraseal gopher target time and time again, offhand, just with the ironsights. This little rifle was so fun, I had a hard time putting it away.

Edit:

I contacted O'Dell Engineering who is the distributor for RIA about my broken screw and this is the reply I got: "We currently do not have parts to support the RIA 10/22 clone." So buyer beware !



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If it makes you feel any better my ruger I bought last year had tool marks in the metal and one of the holes for the scope rail had NO threads in it. My Sr9 had tool marks on it as well. Ruger are not what they used to be . Let us know how it shoots.
 
I've never owned a 1022, so I can't really compare, but I have been reading many people that have shared similar stories about recent production models. That's why I figured that it was worth the gamble with the RIA. I could not find a single Ruger to inspect in person in our local stores. The only one I found was a used and abused stainless version and the owner wanted more than it was worth new. I am eager to see the Armscor shoot and I'll be sure to share the results, good or bad!
 
I am very happy with mine. I put it in a ruger laminate stock. It takes some fitting to make it work but it works. They are no where near the out of the box appearance quality as rugers. If you can get one cheap its worth it. I didnt care about appearences i am more concerned with function and so far i have had considerably less issues with my ria 1022, than i did with my ruger!
 
Mine came with a screw on dovetail base, not a weaver.....I guess they are upgrading lol.
For $199 they are OK, definitely not worth $269+ some places are asking.
 
In some respects, getting an RIA 10/22 clone is much like getting a Norinco clone of the Browning .22 auto. No, you don't expect it to meet the same quality standards, and yes, you do expect to find quality-control glitches. Function is what matters. I bought one of the aforementioned Norinco Browning clones, and I'm absolutely thrilled with it. The price was a small fraction of what even a very used Browning goes for, it functions flawlessly and, as it happens, it was far better in finish & QC than I had hoped. Luck of the draw, sometimes!

What matters, IMHO, is how it functions. I suspect most of us would get an RIA so as to have 1) a truck 'beater', that we'd have no issues dragging around a gravel pit, 2) the basis for a reliable ground-up build (say, a 'tactical' or something) where the original finish etc. is unimportant, or 3) an approximation of a 10/22 when a genuine Ruger is out of our reach financially.

Provided that the price is substantially lower than the genuine article (I'm thinking of, say, 50% of its cost), AND function (i.e. reliability + accuracy) is fully acceptable, I'd have no trouble buying one.
 
Ruger... ? Quality... ? Please...

Plastic barrel band
Plastic trigger housing
Plastic butt plate

The RIA one is 199$ and all metal. Beats Ruger any day in my opinion.
 
Ruger... ? Quality... ? Please...

Plastic barrel band
Plastic trigger housing
Plastic butt plate

The RIA one is 199$ and all metal. Beats Ruger any day in my opinion.

Unless you want to upgrade the barrel on the RIA... Then you should go Ruger as the RIA is a different size.
But as is for a beater truck gun it's certainly OK.
 
Mine came with a screw on dovetail base, not a weaver.....I guess they are upgrading lol.
For $199 they are OK, definitely not worth $269+ some places are asking.

My bad, it is a dovetail. Please check the original post for the correction. I also added the range report and some pics. :)
 
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I used Circa 1850 to take the WWII Russian tank primer paint off the stock. There is some "bondo" repair work, as seen in the pic. I gave it a few coats of BLO, put on a Burson scope I had, and there it is. I have 7 Ruger 10/22's, and wanted to try one of these out. Not many gophers around so it hasn't seen a lot of use. Haven't had any trouble with it. I don't plan on taking it to the Olympics. :p

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I used Circa 1850 to take the WWII Russian tank primer paint off the stock.

I was looking for a way to discribe the paint, well said! :)

Can anyone confirm if the scope mount screws are compatible with the ruger after market stuff? I'm not really decided if I do want to stick a scope back on it, but I would like to know my options if/when I get the broken screw out.
 
Things that are different from 10/22 on these....
Barrel shank size
Take down screw threading
Scope mount screw threading
 
Would one of these fit in a Nordic Arms stock? 10/22 barrels?

Barrels are not interchangeable, but from what I've heard from a dealer aftermarket stocks are good to go.

Thanks for the feed back Hitzy, I was afraid that the broken screw would be a PIA. I just sent an email to O"dell engineering ltd who are the distributor in Canada asking ig they could come up with a replacement screw. I will let you guys know how my experience goes with them.
 
If that's the case, we really should be getting a better deal on these. Anyone remember the 99$ Tokarevs? I bought a second one for parts and I would do the same if the price was right.
 
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