Rifle in 7,62x25
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Some of those were sold. The rifles I saw were ridden hard and put away wet. The bores were pitted holes. To me, it didn't look like anything more was done than the barrels pulled and a new chamber cut. No set back and a long throat. They used original magazines and the stocks were some of the worst I've ever seen.
I did convert one non restricted M1 Carbine to 7.62x25. It was quite successful. The only issue I had with it was corrosive surplus ammo. I wouldn't shoot it in that little rifle after the first outing with it again. I had foreseen it may be an issue because of the gas piston and nut. There was a very good reason the nuts were staked in place. Removing the nut to get out the piston and clean the gas port/chamber was a pain in the butt. I found regular magazines could be modified to work well feeding but it was easier to use a TT33 mag inserted into the M1 Carbine mag, then once the proper angle was figured, fill the area around it with epoxy.
My next 7.62x25 project is going to be a sleeved 1905 351 Winchester semi auto with a pooched bore. The little 7.62x25 rounds fit and feed very well from the original mags without modification. If it's done properly it should also be a much more accurate platform than the M1 Carbine and maybe even stronger. Time will tell. It was going to be one of this winter's projects but I have been suddenly swamped with more pressing projects and I have to find another decent reamer.
wish this was out there aswell. I had a destroyer that was converted, not to sure that lil action was/ is up to it. now days in my opinion the best mag to use would be the DA762 pistol mag for that Canada ammo sells. double stack 10 rounds.
The only problem with the M1 as a platform for 7.62x25, is cleaning the gas system after shooting corrosive through it. I know this first hand after converting one myself.
Maybe a semi designed to be torn down as simply as an SKS?
An easy solution to that is to simply shoot non-corrosive ammo, the Norinco 7.62x25 ammo for instance. Yes, it would be more expensive than shooting corrosive surplus, but the cost per round is still quite reasonable when compared to 0.30 carbine. Norinco ammo can be had for about $0.28/rd on sale, whereas corrosive surplus is about $0.22/rd. .30 carbine rounds are more in the range of $0.75 each. I would be great to shoot an M1 carbine in 7.62x25 mm for about 2.5 times less money...
Converting an M1 carbine to 7.62 X 25 TOK would be a labour of love, so to speak. It would certainly not be economical to pay to have someone do it. Some mods that I have found that have to be done:
1. Barrel. A sleeved .308 bore 18 3/4" barrel, chambered & headspaced for the 7.62 X 25 is required. (Stainless would be nice, but still a challenge of corrosive ammo fouling piston chamber).
2. Bolt face has to be opened up to accommodate the larger diameter brass base.
3. Extractor has to be reworked, or replaced with an I-J extractor made for their 9mm version of the M1 carbine back in the 80's (try and find those!!). I found one, and it works. Base dimensions of a 9 mm and the TOK are very close.
4. Magazine. I cannot get an M1 mag to feed 7.62 X 25 rounds. They fit the mag, but when the bolt slides forward, the round nose-dives as it slides over the round below it due to the bottle shape of this cartridge and jams on the feed ramp. Solution is to shim and fit a TT33 8 rd mag inside an M1 mag, and that works quite well.
Nice to know how the CHICOMs did that conversion. It was not just as simple as running a TOK reamer into the 30 carbine chamber and sending them off to battle for sure.
1. Barrel. A sleeved .308 bore 18 3/4" barrel, chambered & headspaced for the 7.62 X 25 is required. (Stainless would be nice, but still a challenge of corrosive ammo fouling piston chamber).
2. Bolt face has to be opened up to accommodate the larger diameter brass base.
3. Extractor has to be reworked, or replaced with an I-J extractor made for their 9mm version of the M1 carbine back in the 80's (try and find those!!). I found one, and it works. Base dimensions of a 9 mm and the TOK are very close.
4. Magazine. I cannot get an M1 mag to feed 7.62 X 25 rounds. They fit the mag, but when the bolt slides forward, the round nose-dives as it slides over the round below it due to the bottle shape of this cartridge and jams on the feed ramp. Solution is to shim and fit a TT33 8 rd mag inside an M1 mag, and that works quite well.
Nice to know how the CHICOMs did that conversion. It was not just as simple as running a TOK reamer into the 30 carbine chamber and sending them off to battle for sure.
I acquired one of the 7.62x51 to x39 adapters from mcace through Canadian distributor years ago. Will look up this weekend, and send PM
How much do we want to spend for the rifle in 7.62x25? I vote under $500
We want it to be compatable with tokarev magazines so none required in box
Bolt action or omg lever action? I'd pay more for lever.
Tough call to make a profit on. I think what we want will cost too much to be profitable and in the market pricepoijt where we'd buy it.
We want it to be compatable with tokarev magazines so none required in box
Bolt action or omg lever action? I'd pay more for lever.
Tough call to make a profit on. I think what we want will cost too much to be profitable and in the market pricepoijt where we'd buy it.
Most likely!
That said, I'd be willing to pay regular bolt gun prices for one in 7.62X25. So $650-$900. I'd take one cheaper for sure.
The lever gun is a fun idea as well but the round ball bullets stacked in a tube mag may make some people feel uncomfortable. I think they say you're supposed to use Round Flat bullets in tuve mags. I myself know how stiff the milsurp primers are and wouldn't hesitate to load it up. Still, that might effect the marketability of a lever in this cal. Also, I'd have a hard time buying a non name brand Lever gun. If Henry, Marlin, or Winchester came out with it I'd be all over it but that's not likely.
Maybe you got there late???? Some of the rifles I saw, definitely were not working and likely unsafe.
I had contacted "Special Interest Arms" about their "Novem" 9mm bolt-action, built on the RIA .22 TCM platform.
They told me that the length of the 7.62x25 cartridge meant they couldn't convert the platform to the Tokarev cartridge.
they can’t do it ,or there not interested in doing it. Personally I would like to see one myself.
A 7.62x25 in a semi auto is interesting and I do have a project action set aside for such a build.
What I'm looking for is a JW105 in .223. I would like to strip the barrel from it and install a 30 cal take off barrel chambered to the 7.62x25. The only other thing necessary would be to modify the magazine to accept a tt33 magazine. Pretty simple but would require some valuable time.
This little cartridge is very capable of a lot more than we give it credit for. I did do a conversion on a Destroyer I picked up from International a couple of decades ago. It had a rusted out bore and was offered on one of their sales without a magazine. I believe the cost was under $50 delivered. The rifle was complete otherwise. My grandson loved it but he's a black rifle fan so that waned quickly. I sold the rifle to a Cougar hunter and what happened to it from there is anyone's guess. I regretted selling it, but he had an obvious need. He did cut the stock down to the point the rifle weighed less than 5 pounds (2kg)
What I'm looking for is a JW105 in .223. I would like to strip the barrel from it and install a 30 cal take off barrel chambered to the 7.62x25. The only other thing necessary would be to modify the magazine to accept a tt33 magazine. Pretty simple but would require some valuable time.
This little cartridge is very capable of a lot more than we give it credit for. I did do a conversion on a Destroyer I picked up from International a couple of decades ago. It had a rusted out bore and was offered on one of their sales without a magazine. I believe the cost was under $50 delivered. The rifle was complete otherwise. My grandson loved it but he's a black rifle fan so that waned quickly. I sold the rifle to a Cougar hunter and what happened to it from there is anyone's guess. I regretted selling it, but he had an obvious need. He did cut the stock down to the point the rifle weighed less than 5 pounds (2kg)
I would buy one!
