Rifle Myths and Mysteries
- Thread starter Sharps '74
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- Location
- Saskatchewan
I once shot an elk that was standing broadside behind a thin screen of brush. She was (measured) 46 feet away. Was aiming at her chest. Hit her in the butt. My 180 gr. Norma Oryx .30-06 bullet ( a VERY good bullet) hit three twigs smaller than the size of pencils along the way. Good thing I got another aimed shot in, quick and in the clear. Don't shoot through brush if you can help it. I should have aimed for the neck or brain under the circumstances. So close even I would not have missed!
At a Practical Rifle match when the AR15 was NOT restrictred, we had a fun "Jungle Trail" that ran maybe 150 yds. Don't recall the numbers of targets. No target more than 25 yds away. The rest of the match was on paper on the usual range, a quasi-military run down.
IPSC targets were placed behind trees to partially screen them and partially hidden by shrubbery. There were two categories - bolt action and semi-auto, no restriction on calibres in either.
When scoring an AR15 shooter, he was astounded to learn that his double taps had not penetrated the shrubbery to hit the targets more than once, the bullets deflected by the twigs. Other shots were deflected off trees and missed the targets.
On the other hand, the guys with the 'retro battle rifles' (Springfields, Lee-Enfields, Mausers, Moisin Nagants, Garands, M1A's) shot thru' green trees 4"-6" and hit the targets behind them! Brush and shrubbery was not an issue.
The match winner on a couple of occasions was a US school teacher from Wenatchee, his rifle a scoped Remington 700 in .25-'06. He also kicked our butts in pistol shooting with his matched pair of King's Custom Gunworks .45 Commanders.
About this time, there was an article in "American Rifleman" from a US Army Captain who reported an incident where the AR15 failed to do the job. His people were in reserve, watching a firefight from a vantage point. A Viet mortar crew set up at 200 yds not knowing that they were under observation.
He called up a rifleman to engage them. The soldier emptied a 20 rd magazine without hitting anyone and the mortar crew did not know they were under fire! They were screened by jungle shrubbery. He then called up his M60 gunner and indicated the target to him. The gunner rapped off single rds, killing all members of the crew.
Lesson learned - the 5.56mm was not the ideal weapon for the purpose.
IPSC targets were placed behind trees to partially screen them and partially hidden by shrubbery. There were two categories - bolt action and semi-auto, no restriction on calibres in either.
When scoring an AR15 shooter, he was astounded to learn that his double taps had not penetrated the shrubbery to hit the targets more than once, the bullets deflected by the twigs. Other shots were deflected off trees and missed the targets.
On the other hand, the guys with the 'retro battle rifles' (Springfields, Lee-Enfields, Mausers, Moisin Nagants, Garands, M1A's) shot thru' green trees 4"-6" and hit the targets behind them! Brush and shrubbery was not an issue.
The match winner on a couple of occasions was a US school teacher from Wenatchee, his rifle a scoped Remington 700 in .25-'06. He also kicked our butts in pistol shooting with his matched pair of King's Custom Gunworks .45 Commanders.
About this time, there was an article in "American Rifleman" from a US Army Captain who reported an incident where the AR15 failed to do the job. His people were in reserve, watching a firefight from a vantage point. A Viet mortar crew set up at 200 yds not knowing that they were under observation.
He called up a rifleman to engage them. The soldier emptied a 20 rd magazine without hitting anyone and the mortar crew did not know they were under fire! They were screened by jungle shrubbery. He then called up his M60 gunner and indicated the target to him. The gunner rapped off single rds, killing all members of the crew.
Lesson learned - the 5.56mm was not the ideal weapon for the purpose.
Hollow Point
CGN Regular
- Location
- New Brunswick
I quit following most nb hunting related fb pages for that very reason. too many BS opinions about everything from firearms to laws / regulations being passed off fact by people who claim to know.
Julian Hatcher wrote extensively on this and many other interesting topics.
Your post was also wrong. A group that's 1 moa at 100 yards is never going to be smaller than 1 moa at any further distance.
Litz has $50 grand for anyone who can shoot a group that gets tighter at distance. It can't happen. It's physically impossible. The A in moa stands for angle. That's not how angles work. I don't need to prove it. Physics states it can't happen. YOU can make some big money to prove otherwise, but I'll tell you now, you can't.
This is what you're insinuating...
http s ://forum.snipershide.com/threads/how-can-a-rifle-shoot-poorly-at-100-but-well-at-1000.6986710/post-8373760
Someone watched Wanted a bit too much. There is no bending bullets.
http s ://forum.snipershide.com/threads/how-can-a-rifle-shoot-poorly-at-100-but-well-at-1000.6986710/post-8373760
Someone watched Wanted a bit too much. There is no bending bullets.
So, in a thread about myths and mysteries, you are becoming a perfect example of how little physics most shooters know, and so they believe myths about shooting.
How do you feel about shooting into space?
turbo_bird
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Kamloops, BC
I'd start by standing near their garbage can when they're disposing of the ammo.
Kristian
Constantly shooting at long range targets strains the barrel.
contaucreek
CGN Regular
- Location
- Methropolitan Haliburton Ont
Careful now. I had a Cabelas gun counter guy tell me that. I posted it here and in typical CGN fashion was quickly told I was the one who had it wrong LOL.
