Rifle Stocks

If you go the Axis route, read on. All the Axis action are the same. There are 2 lenght of magazine, you will have to supply a trigger guard of some sort (the original is molded in the stock). Then will come the way to clip the mag. When I was making aftermarket Axis stock, I used aluminium to make the trigger guard, a washer up front to hold the mag, and another small metal part to hold the back of the mag. Also, you will need to machine the recoil lug slot precisely, customer will re-use the recoil lug that is in the stock.

There is a big market for Axis stocks, trust me on that one. I was not able to keep up with demand, and I had to stop because I got a promotion at my day job.
 
Hmmm.

I could be interested in a stock style like the Boyd's tacticool for a savage 11 DM inletted for bottom metal and with the bolt release in the trigger guard. Installed pillars and such.

The fore stock would have to be 1.5" shorter than a Boyd's and have a magnum contour barrel channel.

All with less weight of its wood counterpart ... And butt stock cavity filled with expanding foam.
 
So your saying fiberglass stocks are not affected by temperature changes, hate to burst your fiberglass bubble but everything expands and contracts with temp changes. As for a wood stock if it is sealed/finished properly then humidity is a non issue. You can never touch a wood/laminate stock in terms of vibration dampening. Fiberglass is hard and brittle and it rings like a tuning fork when fired, not to mention the natural warmth of wood.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but many of the rifles used by top target shooters, use fiberglass stocks. That fact alone proves that fiberglass has some very positive characteristics. You can try as hard as you like, but you won't find a walnut stock that will be as stable as a quality fiberglass stock, in changing humidity. Laminate can be more stable than walnut, but it still won't be as stable as a high quality fiberglass stock.
 
Savage12 said:
How much experience do you have in this field?

Technically everything on earth is affected by temperatures, composites less so than other materials. Unless you intend to bake then freeze your stocks sir there is no appreciable change in dimensions at normal temperatures.

What stock did you shoot that felt like a tuning fork? That claim is unsubstantiated by any evidence and I have personally investigated that very comment years ago while producing composite stocks. I have never audibly heard a stock make any such noise as a tuning fork. Please prove me wrong if you have solid evidence.


If you prefer wood so be it, don't buy a composite stock. I can trek through rain brush and muck and simply dry off my composite rifle stock. I don't worry about scratches as they buff out. I do to enjoy wood stocks, however this is not what I'm building and simply put wood and plastic are inferior materials when building precision rifles.
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I assume this is addressed to me? I have a bit of experience building stocks from laminate but that's not the point here. I'm really not looking to get into a pissing match about what is better wood of fiberglass, each has their place and pro's and cons but dismissing laminate as inferior to fiberglass is just ignorance imo. Anyway the fiberglass stock that rang like a tuning fork, not sure of the manufacturer. It is a super light mountain rifle stock and after about 5 rounds you could actually feel tingling in your face and hands just like being slapped in the face. You couldn't hear it over the report of the 7mm STW but you could sure feel it vibrating.
I can't see me buying one of your stocks but if you could give a better idea of your experience building rifle stocks it would sure help your cause. Right now it looks like you just woke up this morning and said to yourself. OK today I am going to design and R&D a new line of composite stocks but I don't want to inlet them for any particular action, you have to get a gunsmith to do that on top of the cost of the stock.
 
If you can make a Macmillan style stock of the same quality, for less cost in Canada than a Macmillan, you will have a winner. :)

PS Always so many naysayers when someone says they want to offer a new product. YAWN
 
Depends what you mean by "high quality."

B&C makes a pretty "high quality" rifle stock, but they are sure no Mcmillian.

Mcmillian edges sell well. A similair stock with less wait time and a less hefty price tag would do well. So would lower quality stocks for the Axis, 10/22s ect.
 
Well sir if you think that you are going to come out of the wood work and start taking market share from McMillan with 40+ years of experience and you havent done a pile of engineering and field testing through individuals and every North American Military origanization either (they have and do) then YAWN. They can and will eat your lunch if you try to compete directly. Then you have Bansner and Wildcat in the $300 unfinished and delivered range and they are both fantastic (my Model 7 wildcat finished at 21oz and was very stiff).
Frankly I would dare you to build a M40A1 stock that has less than .25 degrees deflection under 500lbs of torque and still weigh 26 oz finished by fall with this start. Arrogance will be your downfall and you need a niche to survive (like an < 30oz for Ruger MKII).
I say good luck, I like diversity, but I you plan on doing a proper mold design etc to actually be ergonomic and functional with multiple actions and be a reasonable weight you aren't going into production this fall, even if this is full-time today.
 
I somewhat agree with Rem338Win.I don't doubt your ambition or even your ability to bring a quality product to market,but I don't think your time frame is reasonable.As far as sporting rifle stocks go,I suggest you start with a lightweight graphite stock with cheekpeice inletted first for the Remington 700 action.I would suggest that most serious custom builders in Canada(and the US) will start with a 700 action,I know I do.These are the people who will be willing to lay out $500 for a high quality light and stiff hunting stock,comparable to McMillan in quality.I believe you will sell more of your stocks if you sell them as "drop ins",requiring only skim bedding.Not everyone has the wherewithall to finish a Wildcat or Bansner stock,it can be a fair amount of work!I too am doubtful that a lot of Savage and Tikka shooters will spend top dollar to restock what may be an accurate rifle but in the end is still entry level in quality(sorry guys!).I wish you well in your endeavours and if you are successful I would be more than interested in looking at your product.With comparable product I would always buy Canadian.If you need some stocks for molds drop me a line,I have a few around.Best of luck,Mur
 
I dont claim to be able to mass produce. I am not trying to be arrogant nor am saying that anything I produce will be of any significant loss to any other stock makers. I am offering Canadians the chance to buy a Canadian product that is of high quality. I would like to clarify that by fall the first moulds will be ready and shipping of stocks would be in small numbers. McMillan or any other competitor have their merits but my stocks won't be assembled in Mexico.

I enjoy working with my hands and am highly motivated and excited to produce a product that directly supports a hobby I enjoy and furthers marksmanship.
 
Savage12 - I think there is a lot of doubt and animosity towards a budding stocksmith right now as the Rossi Ranch debacle has only shown it's true colors in the last couple weeks. There are a lot of frusterated guys out there left wanting answers. Everyone would love to see you prove them wrong and produce a solid product. A lot of guys just need some time to forget the recent painful stock experience. Sending out one or two of your stocks for review to one or two prominent members of this forum might go a long way. Good luck.
 
Thanks cheesburger, if your interested pm me I have a few questions for you.

Im just an unemployed shooter who worked in the mould making/rifle stock business. All I want is to enjoy my line of work and see others enjoy the result of the effort.
 
Okay, enough of the nonsense. We will never know until you build one!

I always prefer to buy Canadian if possible, and will be pleased to be your first customer for a lightweight mountain rifle stock inletted for a Husqvarna Featherweight barreled action in 270 Win.

What do you need for the first order: the barreled action and how much money?

Ted
 
Ive actually made hundreds of stocks at my previous place of employment. All by hand layer by layer.

The current hold up is coming up with all new stock designs. Previous models from my old workplace were sold to a gentleman in the USA and are hands off.

I have one ready, and I'm in discussion with a member here about obtaining a stock plug for molding immediately. Im hopefully anticipating the first trial stock in a month.
 
I believe I owned one or two stocks you made while working for another stock maker. If you can put that type of quality out I'm sure people will play. I'd like to see tactical style stocks in rem and savage center fire. Under 1000$ for fully dressed stocks and fully finished. Good luck

PS Ill order one to try out/review in rem 700 s/a at full pop if that will help you out.
 
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