Rifle with pistol grip for hunting?

[pharaoh2]

I don't know if you care for the 7.62x39 but a CZ 858 might work for you. I find the position and angle and slenderness of the grip quite comfortable and have a little bit of a joint problem from time to time myself and figured that would be ok. Not the most powerful thing around but it gives you another option. Of course that's assuming you could find a smaller magazine for it.

 

[Short Knife Johnson]

Two questions right back at ya:

1: why would it be?
2: why would someone who's location is listed as california a) know about our restricted laws, and b) care?

Spidey senses tingling........

Relax... I'm thinking ex-patriot. A true blue troll would put their locale as something like "Middle of Nowhere SK (AB or MB)," or "Not far enuf away from Toronto," or something even more ambiguous. My apologizes to any members who actually have that on their proile... not making accusations.

Secondly it's probably non-restricted because it's fairly expensive, or the importer talked to the right guy/gal on the right day in the right mood in the right phase of the moon with the proper alignment of the planets and so on.

And lastly, to Nechako. If you don't mind my asking, what's the affliction with your wrist to make it seize into a neutral position? How long has that been so?

 

[Nechako]

There's also the FNAR.

I actually came across this yesterday and it seems to fit my needs well.

Have you considered putting a thumbhole stock on something / other --- John303

Yep, I have been looking around.

ya might want to consider a MAK tube gun

I saw one of those in the EE and was going to look into it more.

I don't know if you care for the 7.62x39 but a CZ 858 might work for you.

This is my backup plan if I can't find something that fits and is better suited to hunting.

And lastly, to Nechako. If you don't mind my asking, what's the affliction with your wrist to make it seize into a neutral position? How long has that been so?

Multiple breaks from DH mtn biking which resulted in surgery to remove a slice of bone from my ulna to reposition because I tore all the cartilage that was connecting it to my wrist. I now have a plate and a bunch of screws holding my ulna together. My range of motion has been bad for a long time (over a year) but the surgery really froze it up. I should eventually regain most of it back but I want to find something that won't strain it as much under recoil.

 

[Short Knife Johnson]

I wish you good luck on getting that back. My curiousity was piqued because I've been dealing with a liability myself coming up 5 years now. Right elbow tendonopathy (totally random). It put a stop to my mountain biking as well. Along with most other things I used to enjoy. It's slowly being defeated, but I will have long term damage - namely arthritis. I can finally shoot right handed while standing, but still have a ways to go.

 

[blueblast]

Multiple breaks from DH mtn biking which resulted in surgery to remove a slice of bone from my ulna to reposition because I tore all the cartilage that was connecting it to my wrist. I now have a plate and a bunch of screws holding my ulna together. My range of motion has been bad for a long time (over a year) but the surgery really froze it up. I should eventually regain most of it back but I want to find something that won't strain it as much under recoil.

Fear not, my friend! Last September I did a double-break of the radius and ulna in my right forearm, and had to have a steel plate with 8 bolts on each bone to reposition the bone after it broke/reduced. I spent 3 weeks in a cast, and once that came off I couldn't do anything, especially hold a gun.
After a few months of physio, I was back to normal, and back into the gun closet.
Just do what your physiotherapist tells you, and you'll be ready for the hunt in no time.

 

[rimfire78]

Two questions right back at ya:

1: why would it be?
2: why would someone who's location is listed as california a) know about our restricted laws, and b) care?

Spidey senses tingling........

1) I'm Canadian who's only embraced the sport since living in the US. I know little about Canadian gun laws, other than what i've learned here so far - in my first hour or two of membership.
2) It has a pistol grip, detachable mag, collapsible stock and flash suppressor - to me it doesn't seem much different than an AR. So I'm curious as to why one is restricted and one is not.
b) I care because I visit often and have family there.
Q: Why does your response seem to be unwelcoming and a bit belligerent?

 

[insurrecto]

Secondly it's probably non-restricted because it's fairly expensive, or the importer talked to the right guy/gal on the right day in the right mood in the right phase of the moon with the proper alignment of the planets and so on.

Non-restricted due to barrel length, if it was under 18" (or if it was an ar15 "variant") it would be restricted. The only other option would be to prohibit it by order in council. Any long gun coming in with an 18" or longer barrel, will be non restricted by default. If the XCR, CZ858, Tavor, etc. had been in the gun rags back when all the other fun stuff was prohibited, they would have suffered the same fate...

AR's would be prohib as well if it wasn't for a few loudmouths(bless you! ) who stood up for shooters and managed to get the "compromise" (restricted status)that exists today. AFAIK the AR and its variants are the only rifles in Canada that are restricted by "type" no matter how long the barrel is.

It's a real shame that what was once considered a victory for AR shooters is now a severe impediment for those who wish to carry over AR ergonomics and reliability into a hunting capacity.

 

[rimfire78]

Thanks insurrecto.

 

[Nechako]

I wish you good luck on getting that back. My curiousity was piqued because I've been dealing with a liability myself coming up 5 years now. Right elbow tendonopathy (totally random). It put a stop to my mountain biking as well. Along with most other things I used to enjoy. It's slowly being defeated, but I will have long term damage - namely arthritis. I can finally shoot right handed while standing, but still have a ways to go.

Thanks, I hope things work out for you too.

Fear not, my friend! Last September I did a double-break of the radius and ulna in my right forearm, and had to have a steel plate with 8 bolts on each bone to reposition the bone after it broke/reduced. I spent 3 weeks in a cast, and once that came off I couldn't do anything, especially hold a gun.
After a few months of physio, I was back to normal, and back into the gun closet.
Just do what your physiotherapist tells you, and you'll be ready for the hunt in no time.

Thanks, that is good to hear. I don't start physiotherapy for a while but hopefully it is enough time to recover.

 

[insurrecto]

no prob! our gun laws here are vastly different from some of the U.S. ones. Thankfully we dont have to put up with the "no pistol grips, flash hiders, bayo lugs etc." B.S. here!!!

Instead we have to work around the equally idiotic prohibitions by name and "variant" (which can be pretty arbitrary, to the point that that XCR could have been deemed one at one time).

So no AK's, FAL's, AUG's etc., but if its a new type of gun coming in AND it makes it through all the hoops and hurdles to get here, it WILL be GTG(until...).

 

[insurrecto]

Nechako: if you can afford it, that FNAR looks sweet! I would have said CZ858 as well, if it was for something smaller than moose(close range might be OK). Let us know...

 

[rimfire78]

no prob! our gun laws here are vastly different from some of the U.S. ones. Thankfully we dont have to put up with the "no pistol grips, flash hiders, bayo lugs etc." B.S. here!!!

Instead we have to work around the equally idiotic prohibitions by name and "variant" (which can be pretty arbitrary, to the point that that XCR could have been deemed one at one time).

So no AK's, FAL's, AUG's etc., but if its a new type of gun coming in AND it makes it through all the hoops and hurdles to get here, it WILL be GTG(until...).

Perhaps more similar than you'd think.

 

[Gatehouse]

I'd try out a thumbhole stock before I'd start slumming it with a TC

 

[Calum]

Q: Rifle with pistol grip for hunting?

A: Sure why the hell not?

If it's comfortable for you and it works, go for it.

Many new turkey guns out there are pistol grip.
And as you have seen it's catching on with hunting rifles as well.

Point at something on the wall and notice what position your hand is in, it's just simple ergonomics.

Contact and proper length to the shoulder is another matter.

Methinks an AR style adjustable stock with a pistol grip would allow for your hand comfort and be adjustable depending on what clothes you are wearing not to mention different shooting positions.

Anyway good luck in your search and happy hunting.

 

[Nechako]

So, I bought a gun!

It is a used MAK tube gun in .308. It's more geared towards target shooting than I was originally thinking of getting but I don't have a target gun so it fits an empty spot in my safe. I'll stick a light scope on it and see how it goes this fall. I know it won't be as light and easy to carry as my little BRNO but it means I now have something to shoot with this hunt.
I'm also really looking forward to trying out some long range target shooting with it after.

I wonder how many people have taken tube guns moose hunting. I know the other guys in my camp will think it is bizarre.

I'll post my thoughts and some pics when it arrives.

 

[fclassguy]

Nechako,

That's awsome!!! Great choice.

You have no borderline restricted issues and if it doesnt shoot great, for the cost of a new barrel you can certainly get it to. Plus it has a very high coolness factor. You are now Tacticool my freind.

I can give you a little tip on the forend. If you loosen off the button head screws that hold it on you will find it fits a bit sloppy to the main reciever tube and you can fix that real easy. The difference in diameter between the inside of the forend and the reciever tube it fits to is about .010". You can use a sheet of paper which is about .004" as a shim and wrap it around the reviever tube then slide the forend over it. Then it will fit nice and snug. You can do it better if you find some plastic or steel .004" shim stock at an industrial supply store like WFS-Windsor Factory Supply

If you really want to tighten it up, countersink the three 1/4-28 screw holes and change the screws from button heads to flat heads. It should really have come that way from MAK.

 

[Nechako]

Thanks for the tip, I have a bunch of shim stock in the garage so I may have something that will fit.
What I really like is how you can do so many different setups with it.


Here are a couple cool ones I found on the net.

The one I'm getting looks something like this but is a repeater.

 

[bigbush]

I have never seen such a gun! where you buy?!

 

[Nechako]

I found the one I'm getting on the EE here.

It is a stock that fits over a Remington 700 action. http://www.tubegun.net/

 

[bigbush]

thanks! i smell a new project coming up for winter!