modernworrior
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ya i looked all the barrels i found are sold i didn't want to jump and buy before i found more info now you guys have helped. thanks so much.
rifled slug vs smooth 870 barrels ?
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modernworrior
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looking at the remington site if it doesn't say fully rifled , and rem choke or in the case of the express barrel imp cyl it is a smoothbore barrel ?
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modernworrior
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great ! and the express smoothbore imp cyl is removable/replacable with a rifled rem choke ? not farmiliar with remington barrels and rem chokes . thanks for all the help.
But the Wingmaster barrels are blued like the Wingmaster receiver and the Express barrels are bead blasted to a matte black like the Express receiver. If I am not mistaken, the Police model barrels come blued or parkerized in 18/20 fixed improved cylinder.
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If you want one all-round barrel, a 24" barrel with Remchoke is nice. that's what came with my wife's turkey/deer combo. That and a rifled barrel. Another option is that you could get the 18-20" barrel threaded for remchokes, then you could use shot as well. Just keep in mind that a turkey choke, especially in a shorter barrel, will kick quite a bit.
canadian hunter312
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whaaaaat?
a rifled barrel with properly matched sabots will out shoot a smoothbore anyday. anyone making such claims either has very limited experience shooting slug guns or they have a VERY unique smoothbore on their hands.
out of curiousity, what kinda groups are you getting at 100 yards with your smoothbore?
3.5 inch....
No argument that it can be outshot.... but is it really worth the price considering the cost of adding a rifled barrel and the extra cost for the slugs?.... how long are you expecting to go out to when shotgunning?....
canadian hunter312
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considering many rifled combos produce groups half the size you're getting with a smoothbore, your claim of minimal differences in accuracy is just a tad off. i just wanted to speak up before someone new to the sport read your post and assumed a smoothbore is as accurate as a rifled barrel. with a rifled barrel your effective range is pretty much doubled.
as for cost of ammo, the huge increase in accuracy and range is worth it for people that take shots at longer ranges.
I would rather see said person spend the money on more ammo and take more shots....
How much farther do you want to push a 12 gauge slug past 100?... I know it would go farther but how much so?... 3.5 at 200 is 7 inches... still within the size of a whitetail's vitals.....
Someone decides that a 3.5" group is good enough, while someone else decides that nothing less than .25" will do the job. That's what we call being an adult in a democracy: you get to pay your money and takes your chances.
For me, if I am shooting at more than 100 yards, I don't want a shotgun, I want a rifle. A decent bolt action will put three rounds inside of an inch at that range. A good one will put five. At a whole lot less than $4 per round too.
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For me, if I am shooting at more than 100 yards, I don't want a shotgun, I want a rifle. A decent bolt action will put three rounds inside of an inch at that range. A good one will put five. At a whole lot less than $4 per round too.
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The question is how much a sabot slug can do at the same range and how it justifies having to buy the barrle and slugs....
Now, that being said ... if you had the cash in hand and wanted the best... get sabots and dedicated rifled barrel..... but it won't get you any more deer compared to the rifled slugs.... practice is the best option
Now, that being said ... if you had the cash in hand and wanted the best... get sabots and dedicated rifled barrel..... but it won't get you any more deer compared to the rifled slugs.... practice is the best option
Out of my BPS, as I mentioned, I can get a ragged large hole at 50 yds (probably about 3" diameter). At 100 yds, it'll do 6" or so, but where I hunt, I don't think i could ever get a 100 yd. shot. 2 years ago, I shot a buck at 68 paces, and that's about the furthest I could ever get. With my wife's 870 Express, I can do a little better than that using sabot's. I have seen guys do excellent (just over 1" at 100 yds) with dedicated rifled guns like the Savage bolt gun.
Also, I was told that the so-called "rifling" on a slug is just there to ease passage of the slug through a choke, that it has nothing to do with imparting spin. By far the most accurate smoothbore slugs I've tried are the Challengers (although I did run into some Brenneke's a few years ago that were pretty darned good, but I haven't seen any lately).
Also, I was told that the so-called "rifling" on a slug is just there to ease passage of the slug through a choke, that it has nothing to do with imparting spin. By far the most accurate smoothbore slugs I've tried are the Challengers (although I did run into some Brenneke's a few years ago that were pretty darned good, but I haven't seen any lately).
canadian hunter312
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i'll assume the majority of deer taken in ontario are taken at less than 100 yards and a smooth bore is adequate for most hunters, including me. i was simply referring to the comment about rifled barrels providing a marginal increase in accuracy over a smooth bore, which is totally untrue.
that said, many of us here in southern ontario aren't permitted to use rifles and are limited to shotguns or muzzle loaders.
you can practice as much as you'd like with a smooth bore, but 7" groups at 200 yards is not considered adequate to most hunters and no amount of practice can compensate for a smooth bores lack of accuracy.
you can pickup a used rifled barrel for an 870 for $100. considering how much we spend on tags, gas and other equipment for hunting, $100 is chump change
i'm kinda regretting the sale of my 870 rifled barrel which produced 2.5" outside to outside groups at 125 yards. in regards to cost of ammo, let's compare slugs to turkey loads. rifled slugs are equal to high brass shells ($1-$1.50) while sabot slugs are equal to premium turkey loads ($3-$4). while the cheaper shells can definitely get the job done, the premium loads will almost always outperform them while offering increased effective range.
like most thing's, you get what you pay for
i'll assume the majority of deer taken in ontario are taken at less than 100 yards and a smooth bore is adequate for most hunters, including me. i was simply referring to the comment about rifled barrels providing a marginal increase in accuracy over a smooth bore, which is totally untrue.
that said, many of us here in southern ontario aren't permitted to use rifles and are limited to shotguns or muzzle loaders.
you can practice as much as you'd like with a smooth bore, but 7" groups at 200 yards is not considered adequate to most hunters and no amount of practice can compensate for a smooth bores lack of accuracy.
you can pickup a used rifled barrel for an 870 for $100. considering how much we spend on tags, gas and other equipment for hunting, $100 is chump change
in regards to cost of ammo, let's compare slugs to turkey loads. rifled slugs are equal to high brass shells ($1-$1.50) while sabot slugs are equal to premium turkey loads ($3-$4). while the cheaper shells can definitely get the job done, the premium loads will almost always outperform them while offering increased effective range.
like most thing's, you get what you pay for
I wouldn't even consider taking a 200 yard shot with either slug.... that's whole hell of a lot of drop, both in inches and energy.....
Remington Core-Lokt Ultra 2.75" 12 ga.
Distance(yds) Muzzle 50 100 150 200
Trajectory(in) -1.5 1.8 2.4 0 -6.2
Velocity(fps) 1900 1770 1648 1534 1426
Energy(ftlbs) 3086 2682 2325 2013 1741
There is only 6" of holdover required for a 385 gr sabot from a 2.75" shell at 200 yds. The energy is still 1741 which is plenty. It comes down to the shooter knowing his limitations regarding wind, a good rest, etc. I've seen deer shot at almost 200 yds with a scoped 870 and personally taken 2 at 150+ with a rifled barrel with open sights.
Of course I'd rather use a rifle for deer hunting than sabot slugs but it's the next best thing we can legally use in the season around here. I suggest the OP buy both barrels and be done with it.
Distance(yds) Muzzle 50 100 150 200
Trajectory(in) -1.5 1.8 2.4 0 -6.2
Velocity(fps) 1900 1770 1648 1534 1426
Energy(ftlbs) 3086 2682 2325 2013 1741
There is only 6" of holdover required for a 385 gr sabot from a 2.75" shell at 200 yds. The energy is still 1741 which is plenty. It comes down to the shooter knowing his limitations regarding wind, a good rest, etc. I've seen deer shot at almost 200 yds with a scoped 870 and personally taken 2 at 150+ with a rifled barrel with open sights.
Of course I'd rather use a rifle for deer hunting than sabot slugs but it's the next best thing we can legally use in the season around here. I suggest the OP buy both barrels and be done with it.
Remington Core-Lokt Ultra 2.75" 12 ga.
Distance(yds) Muzzle 50 100 150 200
Trajectory(in) -1.5 1.8 2.4 0 -6.2
Velocity(fps) 1900 1770 1648 1534 1426
Energy(ftlbs) 3086 2682 2325 2013 1741
There is only 6" of holdover required for a 385 gr sabot from a 2.75" shell at 200 yds. The energy is still 1741 which is plenty. It comes down to the shooter knowing his limitations regarding wind, a good rest, etc. I've seen deer shot at almost 200 yds with a scoped 870 and personally taken 2 at 150+ with a rifled barrel with open sights.
Of course I'd rather use a rifle for deer hunting than sabot slugs but it's the next best thing we can legally use in the season around here. I suggest the OP buy both barrels and be done with it.
It's actually more than 6 inches of drop... the zero point is 150..... it drops 6.2 inches just between 150 and 200 alone....
It's still a damned fine trajectory for a 385gr slug from a 2.75" shell. Less than 9" arc over 200yds. It's more like a 30-30 trajectory than a shotgun. Unfortunately I'd much rather be shooting the 30-30 as its much easier on the shoulder for a range day.
