You're comments make a lot more sense now. If I wanted to do bench rest or trap at my club it would be up to me. Restricted is a lot more restricted. Good guys and very helpful but it doesn't really seem like there is a lot of wiggle room for doing your own thing. Again I apologize for making assumptions about other clubs
Rimfire IPSC style?
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You're comments make a lot more sense now. If I wanted to do bench rest or trap at my club it would be up to me. Restricted is a lot more restricted. Good guys and very helpful but it doesn't really seem like there is a lot of wiggle room for doing your own thing. Again I apologize for making assumptions about other clubs
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great spin - but lets be honest, fastest growing in what sense and where are the members coming from (i.e. other disciplines) ?
anyways i really don't see the what the big deal is - IPSC has a .22 section, end of story. to someone that just discovered this thread - all i read to counter is a theory that CFO will say just shoot .22 if it was allowed and a whole lot of "my ##### size demands i shoot a certain grain projectile" (paraphrasing here lol).
moot point where they come from, they still need to buy the 3 guns no matter what, that still costs money and they are new members to 3 gun. IPSC/USPSA is way cheaper to shoot than 3 gun but its not growing or even having the big match attendance like 3 gun is. high cost isn't keeping 3 gun from growing, if we use the "more people shoot cheaper things" theory then 3 gun and CAS should be barren
If people want to run IPSC style matches with 22's there is nothing stopping them. Of course you'll probably need to buy special steel if you want plates and poppers to knock over. Then there is the fun of finding 22 pistols that will run reliably enough for a match, there are a couple out there, the Kadet and the Glock conversion, maybe the new S&W M&P. And, those three guns also allow for proper reloads (wait is the M&P got thin mags?), which of course is the other problem with most of the 22's out there, the mags, they mostly suck especially for reloading, or for the abuse they'd take at a match.
It's not snobbery when someone invents a sport and comes up with guidelines. IPSC was invented around centerfire guns with very specific power factor requirements. If there was a massive demand for 22 IPSC matches they would be happening. There isn't.
It's not snobbery when someone invents a sport and comes up with guidelines. IPSC was invented around centerfire guns with very specific power factor requirements. If there was a massive demand for 22 IPSC matches they would be happening. There isn't.
Missed that second one. Wow.
You can't make a determination of breaking 90 from headcam footage.
Doesn't show where he was in relation to the 90 of the stage and where the targets were placed.
Also, being at 89.9999999 does not equal breaking 90.
From the looks of it, those were the shooting positions as determined by whoever set up the stage, and they had RO's all over the place.
If there was a safety infraction then he would have been called on it.
RO's are standing out at the sides to be able to spot the 90.
I've been to a number of matches where targets are placed at extreme angles, and depending on how wide the camera's FOV, would look like you are at risk of making spectators need a change of underwear.
But actually, its no where close to that.
Doesn't show where he was in relation to the 90 of the stage and where the targets were placed.
Also, being at 89.9999999 does not equal breaking 90.
From the looks of it, those were the shooting positions as determined by whoever set up the stage, and they had RO's all over the place.
If there was a safety infraction then he would have been called on it.
RO's are standing out at the sides to be able to spot the 90.
I've been to a number of matches where targets are placed at extreme angles, and depending on how wide the camera's FOV, would look like you are at risk of making spectators need a change of underwear.
But actually, its no where close to that.
Yep.. This match was run under IPSC rules. Had he broken any rule, the RO's would have called a DQ. While JB likes to push the envelope, it's always within the limits of the safety rules of the game.
Medicine Hat will hold its annual "Top Gun Match", tentatively on 26 April. This is an Action Pistol match (fire and movement), no black badge required and will have a "Rimfire" category. Bring your daughters, we are only 3 hour drive from Cowtown. My wife will be shooting her pink Kimber Rimfire Target pistol, also. Further details will be posted in the next few weeks.
ow i think it maters greatly where these "new" players are coming from... the IPSC/IDPA/PPC base? the tactical crowd (may or may not already be competing in other disciplines but sure do like dressing up in full kit)? or guys who have so far just plinked at the range before 3gun (no other gaming history whatsoever)? if you wanna be honest about it, break these 3 groups into percentages and try and extrapolate which of these groups is more likely to already be in possession of the requisite guns? i am not saying none is buying new guns/equipment to compete in 3gun, alls I'm saying is equating ALL players with 3 new guns and other equipment is folly at best and deceptive at worst.
all that being said, would i compete in .22 pistol division - no. but i sure would like to see 22lr rifle matches as these can be held in indoor ranges opening up new venues for growing 3gun. i get it, 3gun is huge out west but SW ontario just doesn't run as many for it to really qualify as a phenomena. bottom line for me is more choices are better than less. also if this brings in even 1 new shooter - its a win.
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also doesnt matter if they happen to already have the guns or not, they still had to buy them at some point, they didnt just magically appear in the safe (altho they may have told the wife they did...
)but again, like most people have been saying, you think its a good idea and no one does it near you? run some matches yourself
There are a few issues that have been brought up and a ton of excellent points about them. If a person has a concern about a gap in their club's activities, get some like-minded people together and make it happen. Sure, maybe you need the support of some ROs and access to timers, etc. Start by getting your group of people together and talking to some ROs. Then with the backing of the safety guys, approach the exec and make it happen. It's pretty easy.
I'm an RO for a very small indoor range and when some of the new-ish shooters found out some of us were starting to run USPSA matches, they wanted to know what it's all about. Some members also have money concerns (they are hesitant to buy the holster, etc because they don't know what it's like) so I'm batting around the idea of running a 2-gun rimfire match, but set up for the non-holster crowd. Think of bench-based shooting with multiple targets while timed just like a regular IPSC match. I may only run one or two of these a year, but I'm considering it as a way for people to try out timed events without having to buy a single extra thing or take a black badge course.
Of course we all know they'll be hooked so after the event, they'll need to save some cash to buy the gear.
I'm an RO for a very small indoor range and when some of the new-ish shooters found out some of us were starting to run USPSA matches, they wanted to know what it's all about. Some members also have money concerns (they are hesitant to buy the holster, etc because they don't know what it's like) so I'm batting around the idea of running a 2-gun rimfire match, but set up for the non-holster crowd. Think of bench-based shooting with multiple targets while timed just like a regular IPSC match. I may only run one or two of these a year, but I'm considering it as a way for people to try out timed events without having to buy a single extra thing or take a black badge course.
Of course we all know they'll be hooked so after the event, they'll need to save some cash to buy the gear.
Great idea. We had a member start a ladies league as an intro to shooting. She co-ordinated various shooting activities for women interested in getting into shooting but that were not sure what discipline they wanted to do. They tried cowboy action, rifle, target pistol, and practical pistol. When we set up the stages for practical pistol we did it with the firearms staged or just held at the low ready. Work well and they all seemed to enjoy it.
We did something similar on an experimental basis at my club, but geared toward all new shooters, regardless of their gender/lack thereof Basically a rimfire speed claybusting night, but downrange, guns kept on the safety table. Having the only 10/22 running a quality dot, 20+rd mag capacity and a sub-3lb trigger may or may not have given me an unfair advantage over the "students" and the rest of the safety staff We might even turn it into a regular thing at the club, but shooting sanctioned matches would be a whole different ballgame.
Basically a rimfire speed claybusting night, but downrange, guns kept on the safety table. Having the only 10/22 running a quality dot, 20+rd mag capacity and a sub-3lb trigger may or may not have given me an unfair advantage over the "students" and the rest of the safety staff We might even turn it into a regular thing at the club, but shooting sanctioned matches would be a whole different ballgame.My Mona Lisa AR15.22 build is finally ready to be revealed! Will be my IPSC Mini-Rifle Open gun. NEA lower, generic LPK, Hogue beavertail, Geissele s3g, Ace Skeleton stock, CMMG 22LR upper, Miculek comp (really just for the looks), Leupold Deltapoint and Troy Alpha in 15".
She will be shot at 100yds or less, so I didn't feel the need for magnified optics, just a quick 3.5MOA dot. Need a crush washer to properly mount the comp since the CMMG 22lr upper doesn't have enough meat to accommodate the thick locknut that comes with the Miculek comp, now I just gotta do function-testing with the trigger. Can't think of anything else to add for this kind of shooting. Now if you start shooting some longer distances, then you need to look into magnified optics, but the range where I'll be shooting pretty much all of my matches only goes out to 90yds.
She will be shot at 100yds or less, so I didn't feel the need for magnified optics, just a quick 3.5MOA dot. Need a crush washer to properly mount the comp since the CMMG 22lr upper doesn't have enough meat to accommodate the thick locknut that comes with the Miculek comp, now I just gotta do function-testing with the trigger. Can't think of anything else to add for this kind of shooting. Now if you start shooting some longer distances, then you need to look into magnified optics, but the range where I'll be shooting pretty much all of my matches only goes out to 90yds.
