Rimfires for new shooters ?

Frank77

Frank77

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Currently, gf and I are doing CSSMAF/CSSMAFAR & LAW number 9 classes(yep we are in Quebec).


My gf hesitate between 2 semi-auto RF

The Ruger K10/22 black synthetic with ss barrel or Savage 64FSS black synthetic with ss barrel.

Anyone have tried both? We would really like some feedback please.

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Thanks a lot for your time :)





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On my side, choices are made for now, Ruger Mark III & Savage 93 BTVS .22WMR :D

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If your GF is a beginner...May I suggest a single or repeater bolt action. These rifles cannot be reloaded without a purposeful action on the shooters part. Semis can be a handful for a novice. If she is an experienced shooter, the Ruger needs work to make it shoot accurate where as the Savage ( based on Cooey 64) has no add-ons thus is accurate out of the box. This has been my experience
 
You might want to consider carefully what kind of shooting you're going to do. I notice one of your choices is in .22 WMR. That is basically a hunting round. The ammo costs about twice as much as .22 LR and is really no better than LR for target shooting at 100 yds or less.
 
Never used the 10/22 but my range buddy have a Savage 64 and it's a pretty good gun, especially considering the price (half of the 10/22). The only problem with it is that it tend to jam when quite hot (after a couple 100's shot) and fail to cycle the action with subsonic rounds and although I am not sure the 10/22 would do better in theses cases it is generally considered a better gun. Considering the Savage half price it is still a pretty good deal but I guess it break down to the kind of person you are, if you're a "best whatever the price" kind of guy go with the 10/22 but if you're a "good for the money kind of guy" the Savage will be very good still...
 
The lowly .22 cals have been underrated for years. Several threads here show proof that this caliber can be shot to over 300 yards. I personally shoot my .22s to 200 yards as this is the range limit. Not only paper shooting , but open air field varmint shooting. A lot depends on the rifle you shoot as the Mossberg 144 lsb I shoot is quite capable of this distance. My stock( with 3x9x scope) Marlin 81 has been ranged at 150+ yards.
 
Whatever you buy make sure its dang accurate, nothing more frustrating than teaching good shooting skills with a 'bad' gun. My little 6 year old keeps moving up the food chain fast in both the rifle and bullet range and gets upset when his bullets don't hit where he aims. He knows he's right and the equipment is wrong, and believe it or not he is nearly almost always right.
 
Frank77 said:
I was thinking about the 22wmr for the 200 yards at the shooting range. Would the 22LR be able to do it? I wanted the 22wmr after reading the Dropping Chart there:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63954
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The difference in bullet drop isn't that significant in practical terms. With either calibre you will either be aiming well above the target or adjusting your scope to compensate for the drop. Wind is a much bigger factor. Even a 10 km/h cross breeze can move a light .22 bullet considerably off course, especially at longer distances.

What you intend to use as a target is also important. If, for instance, you are shooting at paper targets, you would probably not be able to see the bullet holes at 200 yds with less than a 32x scope. A good quality scope of that magnification is fairly expensive and you may also need adjustable rings or an angled rail to preserve the scope's internal adjustments. A decent rifle rest is also required - shooting long range from a sandbag or bipod is a big challenge. Your GF's semi auto with open sights would also be fairly useless at that range, which may or may not be a factor to you. If you're shooting at gongs, milk jugs or some other reactive target the equipment demands are less, but that stuff is just as much fun at shorter ranges, so why bother with the expensive .22 magnum ammo.

I'm not trying to be discouraging about long range, small bore shooting. I would suggest, however, that it's a somewhat specialized niche and you may want to get some experience under your belt before you dive in. Accurate .22 shooting at 100 yds and less is plenty challenging, very satisfying and a lot cheaper than any of the other alternatives.

So, just a few thoughts to consider. This advice is worth every penny you paid for it. :)
 
I always think that you should introduce a new shooter to a bolt or lever or w/e not a semi. But that being said if you are set on getting a semi go get a Marlin 795 or Marlin 60.
 
agite12 said:
The only problem with it is that it tend to jam when quite hot (after a couple 100's shot) and fail to cycle the action with subsonic rounds and although I am not sure the 10/22 would do better in theses cases it is generally considered a better gun.
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For reference, my 10/22 VLEH does just fine after 200+ rounds, subsonic. Had maybe 3 FTF out of 200-300 rounds fired last time I had it out - and those fired normally in a bolt action .22 once my dad picked up the FTFs and tried to re-fire them.
 
Thanks everyone for your time. Seems gf will get a bolt instead of semi. And for myself, I'll go 22LR instead of WMR. I'll re-do the homeworks and look at the models you have submited me. :)
 
JimV makes some excellent points. On paper/internet, shooting at anything less than 100 yards doesn't sount that entertaining, however in the real world a 100 yard shot is actually decently far, which 22lr will do just fine. Will seem very far for a new shooter. For some new shooters getting a feel for it, you will likely start by doing some plinking at 25-50 yards. With iron sights, a 1' paper target is plenty small at that range, especially for a new shooter.

I have a mossberg 702 plinkster. $140 new at the store, semi auto with a 10 round mag. I read some favorable reviews on them when compared to a ruger 10/22 so I decided to go for the mossberg. I like it. I have some larger cal centerfire rifles but the 22 is definitely my highest rated rifle in terms of smiles per $.
 
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