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So I have been learned that $50(what I though was expensive for rings) is low end rings I have some extra coin from a side job and want to spend about $100-$125 on a set of 1" rings for weaver/picanny style bases. I was looking at the Burris Zee rings and am not sure about what the Posi-Align inserts are for and how would I know what size to get. If you have any ideas for other good rings please let me know. Also is there any problem with buying used rings? Anything to watch for? Thanks

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I was looking at the Burris Zee rings and am not sure about what the Posi-Align inserts are for and how would I know what size to get.

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The Burris Sig/SigZee rings come with #0 inserts and that will typically be all you need for most hunting and some target shooting applications.

The inserts are used to add too or suplement the adjustment range of your scope, or to correct alignment problems. If you can get on target at the range you require for your application, you wont need anything else but the #0 inserts. .
 
The inserts actually serve a few different purposes. First, they are made of a synthetic material that won't distort, crush, or scratch your scope when you tighten down the rings. Second, they swivel within the ring, so if the rings or bases are misaligned, the inserts will swivel in order to give you the correct alignment (as skeetgunner pointed out). Third, as skeet also pointed out, you can use different offsets in the inserts in order to "shim" your scope in the case of extreme long-range shooting, where you need to get all the upward adjustment possible out of the scope (in which case you want to zero the scope with the scope's adjustments as close to the extreme downward edge of its range as possible and use an offset insert to shim your scope back up to zero).

There is no problem with mounting used rings. Just look and make sure they're not bent.
 
I don't know how many of you have used the sig-zee rings on hard kickers but I have had absolutely no luck with them, I mounted scopes on two different slug guns with these rings and couldn't get them to group on the paper- group size was 8+ inches-. This was with two different sets of zee style rings- switched to weavers with one gun and warnes with the other and group sizes shrank in half -useing the same bases,same scope,same nut behind the wheel. The only change was the rings.
The first time I thought it was just something I had done ,the second time it happened I am convinced that the polymer inserts do not hold up well under the significant recoil generated by a slug gun.

If you are mounting the scope an a gun that generates a decent amount of recoil, I am convinced that sig-zee rings are not up to the task.

If I was looking for upscale rings talleys would be my go too in your price range. If you want to spend a little more nightforce or leupold mark 4's are completely bulletproof (and heavy). If you want classy, light and bulletproof- but more than your price range again conetrols are reaaaally nice.

What gun are you putting the rings on?

Good luck.
 
I'm using the plastic insert Signature Zee's on my 300WM and not experiencing any problems with shifting of the scope. I tighten the rings to 15 inch-lbs with a torque measuring driver and shoot full power loads. Hopefully I never experience what notlim2424 has had problems with.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I will take a look into those TPS. I'll be mounting my scope onto a NEF 223rem with picanny style bases. Is it possible to tighten a scope down to tight? Any idea who sells TPS in Canada?

matt
 
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If you are mounting the scope an a gun that generates a decent amount of recoil, I am convinced that sig-zee rings are not up to the task.
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I've never used them on a slug gun, but on up to and including a .308, I've never had any issues.

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Is it possible to tighten a scope down to tight?
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Yes, it is possible to over tighten a scope, or bend/break it if the ring alighment is off. And never, ever use the scope body to set up "turn in" rings, use a wooden dowel.
 
I'm using the plastic insert Signature Zee's on my 300WM and not experiencing any problems with shifting of the scope. I tighten the rings to 15 inch-lbs with a torque measuring driver and shoot full power loads. Hopefully I never experience what notlim2424 has had problems with.
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no problems here either including heavy scopes on rifles up to 375H&H ... although I am pretty sure your 300WM is a little "snappier" than my 375 !!
 
I've done some research and I'm going with the Burris rings. If your quicktime is up to date, check this out:
http://www.burrisoptics.com/sigrings.html

As for recoil and shifting, I think the 'squishability' of the polymer inserts also serves to grip the rings very tightly. I wouldn't say they're the best looking but they seem to have the technological advantage.
 
I've done some research and I'm going with the Burris rings. If your quicktime is up to date, check this out:
http://www.burrisoptics.com/sigrings.html
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that's very good - if for no other reason than to reduce mounting stress on the scope - they are worth using.

I have seen the following demonstration:
a standard scope was mounted solidly in a machine rest ... an elastic band (eg used for mail/envelopes) was placed around the objective of a scope and was pulled laterally against the scope objective with one finger - the result was the scope reticle was displaced against the 100m target by several inches due to the pressure on the tube. Other experiments with the same set-up showed how holding the ocular and applying reasonable pressure in a circular movement around the long axis of the scope tube would significantly change poi due to previously unrelieved stress in the mounting system.

Go with the Burris imho.
 
Also use the QRWs - the quick release is also convenient for cleaning/storage and levers can be moved (pull out and rotate) independent from tightening/loosening. Also like that they wrap around and use 4 torxs screws but... no adj. for windage on the base like other Leupolds (or elevation like Burris).
 
I am happily using Leupold PRW's on 2 of my guns.

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Slug guns kick- no doubt about it. Mine weighs about 7lbs and kicks harder than my 458 lott (feels like it anyways:eek:) They are a great platform for recoil testing equipment. I have had a set of cheap aluminum rings that actually sheared in half on a slug gun- it didn't break the bolts- the rings themselves actually sheared about 1/3 of the way up. "If a hadna' seed it I wudna' believed it myself" type of thing for sure.

the concept is great, and must work to some extent ala Optilocks, but I am very leery of the inserts on anything above .308 class of recoil. Maybe some people have better luck with the inserts than I do, but for me the sig zee's are out.

TPS rings will definately get the job done, and I think that PRW/QRW's are great, solid steel,4 torx screws, good value imho
 
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