"rising teal" shooting advice?

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after having read all i can find from folks like beretta boy, claybuster and sharptail; all of whom have the same advice for breaking clays that move across from me, ("focus on the leading edge") i have gotten a little better.
thank you!
however, the presentations that continually blow my ability to get that illusive 25 outa 25 are the straight away "risisng teal" shots. i have no idea where i am shooting, other than not at the clay.
any advice on these tricky shots?
 
I'm not an expert but I try to hit them when they are at the apex of the flight.If you prefer to shoot them on the rise,try swinging through the bird and when your barrel covers the clay, pull the trigger and continue the follow through. With this method if you can see the clay when you fire,you will miss under. This is common. Sometimes the Teal will lean slightly right or left and this compounds the problem. If you can, shoot a round of Teal only and have a buddy spot for you. Once you start hitting consistently the old brain will remember the sight picture and life will be good once again.:)
 
If the riser is at any distance be careful because it is easy to over swing. Try to match the speed and if anything try to slow down your swing a bit. Like Bat says, it is sometimes easier to take it at its peak, but that may not be best if the teal are a pair. If they are presented as a pair, I like to get one on the way up and the next at its peak and pray that s.o.b. of a target setter does not set it so I have to take one on the way down.
 
Grouse Man said:
Sweep the gun right through them, and shoot when you've covered the target with the barrel.
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Pretty much the same advice from me however it's pretty much a snap shot from how I shoot. With the Rising Teal, smooth to the shoulder - through it - blank it out and pull.
 
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Rising teal are a tough target for me. The target is rising but losing velocity very quickly. I've tried swinging through and blotting out the target with limited success. Either I stop the gun or I shoot over.

My best approach is a mounted gun with the barrel high. I wait until the target goes past the barrel, reaches the apex, and it's a short swing up with a focus on the bottom of the target and I shoot slightly under. The best advice I received on teal is to "shoot their little feet off." Focus on the bottom of the target and don't lift your head off the stock.

Try different methods until you find the one that works for you.
 
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Rising teal are a tough target for me. The target is rising but losing velocity very quickly. I've tried swinging through and blotting out the target with limited success. Either I stop the gun or I shoot over.
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I have had this experience as well. Because the teal is loosing speed and I am coming from behind, I have a tendency to move my gun too fast and over swing with the swing through method. Sometimes I stop when I loose track of the target. That is the reason for my caution in my first post. That said, I really like the wing through method on very close presentations, but I find that those target setters are not very accommodating in giving me stuff that I shoot well. What works best for me on the longer stuff is reminding myself not to rush my shot and not to let the teal get in front of my gun as this forces me to recover by the swing through method which does not work well for me. Hmm, I htink I just said that?:redface:I pick my spot where I want to make my break and position my gun well above where I will first clearly see the target. I try to look through or around my gun (I am not sure how this works but it does for me) and slowly mount and shoot without causing any jerking motion. I make a calm effort to start and stay in front of the teal but do not try to calculate any specific lead. If I stick to this plan and I trust my gun mount and pointing ability I usually do well. I do not think that this is an exact science, but sometimes, and you will know the time, just spot shoot them at the peak and as CB says blow their tiny little feet off.:D

If one or two of these targets didn't drive me crazy I would not be crazy enought to keep comming back:D
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Rising Teal can be a bit of a difficult read: Are they truly going "straight-up", or are they rising and moving to the left or right from pure vertical. How fast are they rising .... straight up or at a gentle angle away or toward you. Full tilt, spring wound to the max and going up 35 or 40 yards... or a bit of a fluffy thing that doesn't get up much more than 35 or 40 feet ?

Either way, I like to see a target or watch first ... get an idea of the target path, relative speed and a general idea of the approximate apex. I shoot teal
"gun down" but the muzzle higher than the butt ... amd the butt roughly under the "FITASC" line and pushed well out from under my arm. I insert the muzzle about 1/2 way up the targets flight path and call for the bird with my eyes watching well below the rib ... I want to catch the target in my peripheral vision (on either side of the gun) and lock onto it's leading (upward edge). As the bird rises, the muzzle moves. I mount the gun, swing the muzzle up through the bird and pull the trigger while everything's still in motion. Best guess, the target hasn't reached 75 percent of the apex, so yes, I definitely shoot it under power, and fairly quickly. On "double" teal, first bird is either the lowest, or the one on the right ... if I have a choice at all. I generally shoot the second bird right at the apex, but have to be careful you don't "over-swing" in getting to it.
 
I hate those!
I now try to get them asap, when they're still moving quickly.... if I wait for it to slow, I tend to jerk my gun for some reason. Almost seems like a flinch. Don't know why I do that, but it's annoying.
 
popcan said:
I hate those!
I now try to get them asap, when they're still moving quickly.... if I wait for it to slow, I tend to jerk my gun for some reason. Almost seems like a flinch. Don't know why I do that, but it's annoying.
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I hate them too! My first inclination is to do exactly what you do and get them quickly. The problem with that is our concentration goes directly to gun movement. I think a better way is to direct your focus to seeing the target clearly and do not react or move the gun til the target becomes very clear. Focus on the target and not on the gun. When one's focus is on the gun the target seems incredibly fast and reaction is not as good. When one's focus is on the target it actually seems to slow down and allows a better, more controled reaction. If you try this, you may be surprised at how incredibly fast you actually take the target. This is one of many presentations that I need to caution myself to watch the target and not blow my chance of an X score before I clearly see the target.

BTW if that feels like a flinch it probably is. Happen to me as well, but for me it happens more when I am focused on the gun and do not have a clear view of the target. For me it seems to be my mind's (I have not lost it yet) reaction to something not right!
 
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Never had the oppurtunity to shoot SC.
Is the rising teal anything like station 8 in skeet?
That's my favorite station, it's a great feeling to be able to swing through and shower yourself with pieces!!:dancingbanana:
Cat
 
Cat:

A little ... somewhat like an 8 Low ... but instead of passing from the Trap 21 yards in front of you off over your left shoulder 6 yards out ... they may be
virtually straight up in the air 15 to 35 or 40 yards out in front of you ... and maybe rising to a height of 100 feet or more. And there might be two of them !

The tecnique for successfully hitting them (under power) is somewhat similar in that your barrel(s) will pass through and momentarily obscure the target.

Those that shoot their teal at the apex have some level of success doing this, however, watch the top 10 or so shooters at a big Sporting Shoot, most will have no problem "running" the teal, and virtually all of them will take the first target "under power" on the way up, and as often as not, the second target at or near the apex.
 
catnthehatt said:
Never had the oppurtunity to shoot SC.
Is the rising teal anything like station 8 in skeet?
That's my favorite station, it's a great feeling to be able to swing through and shower yourself with pieces!!:dancingbanana:
Cat
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If I were going to name station 8 in sporting terms I would call it kamikaze bob white:D or holy #### that bird didn't see me standing here:eek:
 
Well, it sounds like a hoot!

We have a shotgun match at our Rendezvous where we have two traps, an ATA that we walk past, and a nother blue Rock that is on a stand in the bush.
One flies over your head from behind you, and the other from the side and behind.
You don';t know which is coming first , loads of fun with a SXS muzzle loader!
The trick is to listen for the first trap, one will be in your right ear, the other sound coming from your left - DANG!! Wonder if any
buckskinners are listening!!:eek:
Anyway, the rising teal sounds great.
I don't miss many staion 8's but do know people who have problems with them , don't know why,maybe because they can't move the gun fast enough , I guess.
Cat
 
If the teal trap is close, don't look at the trap but a third of the way up. Our eyes cannot follow movement of over 35 mph. Our perefial can, but one cannot focus at the faster speeds. Try it on station 7 and looking at the low house hole. You will only see a blur and get jumped by the target! You have to find the spot that you clearly see the target, acquire it and focus on the leading edge. Everything else is instinct. One sense where the barrel is, but does not look at the front bead!

Do you look at your hockey stick, baseball bat or glove? Tennis racket? NOPE! The same with sporting or FITASC targets!

Best regards,
Henry;)
 
when I set teal I never set then strait up as the fall on the machine and damage targets on the carasal. as Beretta boy was saying the are not going strait up most likley. I shoot at the creat and bust the second on when its falling. I wait til is falling fast and predictable 6-10 feet from the ground,
 
For a single teal, I prefer to shoot it under power...on the way up. A high muzzle is definitely a help ... my style is to stay just ahead of the target, matching it's speed ... and after looking at literally hundreds of them, I can't tell you exactly how far I'm ahead of them (on the way up), but I definitely am ahead (or above them, if you will)

For doubles, the first bird is taken much like the single, the second, if the presentation allows it, right at the apex ... or just falling. Yeah, shoot their little feet off ! If the target has much time to drop, you will need to be a fair bit further under them .... and watch how far apart the pair is "split" ... most misses come on the second target because of too much gun movement lateraaly moving over to the second target ... get the muzzle over there first, let it "quiet", then go after the target.

Pretty much a "learned" shot ... and after hitting a few variations, you get to build up a mental "encylopedia" or "catalogue" of presentations. Properly "reading" the targets can often often be harder than actually hitting them. You might think they're doing one thing, but a skillful target setter has them actually doing something else !
 
Shooting a whole lot of targets that were actually set by Marty Fischer on three or four different courses helped me too. ;)

Although a very nice guy, Marty is one devious S.O.B. when it comes to setting targets ! :D
 
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