Robinson Arms XCR. 223 - Bolt carrier blew up **UPDATE**

Bart,

It was it's second reload, to much according to a bunch of other boards, I have subsquently pulled all that Federal commercial brass from my collection. Another thing is that bras is short too, 1.140 on average. I only am using Lake City and IVI brass from here on out.
 
Bart,

It was it's second reload, to much according to a bunch of other boards, I have subsquently pulled all that Federal commercial brass from my collection. Another thing is that bras is short too, 1.140 on average. I only am using Lake City and IVI brass from here on out.

I wouldn't believe everything you read on the Internet. I have a bunch of FC marked brass I have been abusing the living daylights out of. Some of it is so bad the primers are practically falling out and I haven't had a single case head failure.
 
Good thing I didn't buy an xcr when I had the chance. Not the first I've heard of a blow-up when shooting an xcr. A dire shame.

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Good thing I didn't buy an xcr when I had the chance. Not the first I've heard of a blow-up when shooting an xcr. A dire shame.

There are 3types of major gun failures:
  1. those with high quality factory ammo (NATO spec ammo)
  2. those with all other factory ammo
  3. those with reloaded ammo

I am scared of type #1 failures and concerned by type #2 failures.
As for type #3 failures, you seriously have to ask yourself:
  • why do high volume shooters use 10,000+ rounds of factory ammo and never have any issues?
  • why do more than 4 out of 5 major failures occur while shooting reloaded ammo?

Up to this moment, 3 bolt actions have been blown up/badly damaged by reloaded ammo at my club and we're only halfway through the year!

Alex
 
Well I've seen very similar results happen from factory ammo.

My theory (without seeing the gun in my hands, and I'd love some ammo to run thru a pressure barrel with a strain gauge), is that you have ringed your chamber near the bolt face end of it. Do you have any of your previously shot brass?

Primarily I've seen this on old SR-25's shot with M993 AP ammo (which is way above proof pressure when loaded by NAMMO).
I recently saw a SR-25 have the same issue with some factory SSA 175gr. The rounds where all over pressure (which in your case may have been caused by bullet setback) this is turn affected the way the bullet was sealed (or rather not sealed0 in the chamber. The gap in the ringed chamber allows the high pressure gasses to blow out the side of the casing into the gap.

Anyway just my 0.02 from sitting back and looking at the pictures.

As Suputin and several others have said this was NOT a round fired from an unlocked gun (it would be very visible in that kaboom).

The casing just just not fully supported by the chamber wall in some area.
Even when casings fail (I've got a slew of 60gr TAP that hornady screwed up the brass on - I think some Calgary folks saw the the results on the brass and my Colt LE6921 chamber of that. In that way the casings where cracking and the chamber got flame cut in certain areas - I noticed it early on, and #####ed and moaned to Hornady. But for damage to happen to the casing that bad, there had to be a area of the casing that allowed for room for the casing to blow out like that.

Generally I only use a powder that even with a compressed load (from something like bullet setback) will not cause drastic overpressures (I like Varget for 5.56 and 7.62mm guns).

However I will say its not an XCR issue -- but I would get a chamber cast made of the barrel - to ensure that it has not been ringed (which I think it has), for it it has, your going to end up with a very similiar issue in the future.
 
I wouldn't believe everything you read on the Internet. I have a bunch of FC marked brass I have been abusing the living daylights out of. Some of it is so bad the primers are practically falling out and I haven't had a single case head failure.

Don't forget there is FC military and FC commerical, FC military is marked FC then a year, Federal commerical is FC then .223 REM. Big difference
 
Well I've seen very similar results happen from factory ammo.

My theory (without seeing the gun in my hands, and I'd love some ammo to run thru a pressure barrel with a strain gauge), is that you have ringed your chamber near the bolt face end of it. Do you have any of your previously shot brass?

Primarily I've seen this on old SR-25's shot with M993 AP ammo (which is way above proof pressure when loaded by NAMMO).
I recently saw a SR-25 have the same issue with some factory SSA 175gr. The rounds where all over pressure (which in your case may have been caused by bullet setback) this is turn affected the way the bullet was sealed (or rather not sealed0 in the chamber. The gap in the ringed chamber allows the high pressure gasses to blow out the side of the casing into the gap.

Anyway just my 0.02 from sitting back and looking at the pictures.

As Suputin and several others have said this was NOT a round fired from an unlocked gun (it would be very visible in that kaboom).

The casing just just not fully supported by the chamber wall in some area.
Even when casings fail (I've got a slew of 60gr TAP that hornady screwed up the brass on - I think some Calgary folks saw the the results on the brass and my Colt LE6921 chamber of that. In that way the casings where cracking and the chamber got flame cut in certain areas - I noticed it early on, and #####ed and moaned to Hornady. But for damage to happen to the casing that bad, there had to be a area of the casing that allowed for room for the casing to blow out like that.

Generally I only use a powder that even with a compressed load (from something like bullet setback) will not cause drastic overpressures (I like Varget for 5.56 and 7.62mm guns).

However I will say its not an XCR issue -- but I would get a chamber cast made of the barrel - to ensure that it has not been ringed (which I think it has), for it it has, your going to end up with a very similiar issue in the future.

Thanks for input, good considerations. I do have some brass that i recently shot yes. I am wondering what else I should be looking at before dropping in new parts and running the gun.
 
Honestly I toss guns that go KABOOM.

Get a chamber cast
Try to Magnaflux your bolt and barrel extension.

If those show negative - I would go shoot the gun.

If they have issues - I would toss the gun.
 
Don't forget there is FC military and FC commerical, FC military is marked FC then a year, Federal commerical is FC then .223 REM. Big difference
I dont think 5thou short on brass is a big deal , I have reloaded a ton of fed commerical .223 and shot . The neck is holding the bullet so why would it matter if it is short? Now if it was tooo Long and not trimed thats anouther issue. Mabey I am wrong but have never had a problem with brass that is 5-10 short
 
New bolt and carrier arrived ($274 to my door from Wolverine - Thx Guys GOOD SERVICE!) , plopped them in hit the range this morning, rifle functions fine.

Guess I was Lucky.
 
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