Robust 1911s?
- Thread starter Melnibonean
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Para....they suck bags and bags of ####. Cast frame and cast slide....the only company to cast a 1911 slide that I know of. Even Ruger the "cast everything even a goddamn barrel if we could" uses a forged slide.....
That is the real issue there...they pulled Norinco from the list not that long ago. IIRC it had more to do with the lengthy amount of time since Norincos had been imported, and the fact that they are/were so cheap, many were bubba'd.
It's totally fine to criticize Norinco and they do have issues, but the frame, slide, and even barrel make a pretty good base for a build IF you are willing to put the work in.
stevey3737
Regular
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- Southern Interior
its a good thing I wasn't selling it to ya than I guess hey!! my point was and still is you do not have to spend a lot of money to have a decent piece of equipment!!! and just because it looks pretty doesn't mean crap!!! especially to the average joe on this forum and another thing you couldn't count how many Chinese are using them turds right now and probably to protect their lives which to me is a bit more important that hitting all of my paper targets in a match shoot!!! I don't care what ya think sorry!!
There are quite a few of them floating around on the market though...no problem with buying if You really want one.
Simple search on GunBroker or GunsAmerica will confirm just that.
That's the real problem with collecting any reliable information while basing on the opinion pool.
It's really difficult for many owners to get past their buyer's defensive wall.
A sloppy 1911 whether its a WWII USGI or a brand new nork shoot and feel much different then a tight properly fit 1911.
I'm sure a ton of the "norks rule" crowd only have ever owned or shot a nork and that is all the experience they have with the platform.
A nice tight 1911 can do well in bullseye shoots, and the recoil and follow up shots on a well fit tuned 1911 is about as good as it gets. There really isn't much of a comparison and if you only ever owned or shot a nork then you are missing out on what a 1911 is really capable of.
I'm sure a ton of the "norks rule" crowd only have ever owned or shot a nork and that is all the experience they have with the platform.
A nice tight 1911 can do well in bullseye shoots, and the recoil and follow up shots on a well fit tuned 1911 is about as good as it gets. There really isn't much of a comparison and if you only ever owned or shot a nork then you are missing out on what a 1911 is really capable of.
Your talking about 2 totally different types of guns. A bullseye gun is designed to be tight fitting and totally accurate, which doesn't often equal reliable. A colt given and the norincos are built to gi specs which are quite loose as to keep running in adverse conditions. Both designs have their merrits.
The initial question had more to do with the quality of the steel, and the design of the gun (with or without extra weakening cuts). As it is designed around the original a1, and made out of very good steel, the norinco gets the nod. That's not to say that others don't as well, but only someone who is ignorant and obviously biased would deny that norincos are made out of very good metal.
Ivor
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- Richmond, BC
Norcs are nuke-proof, forged in the fiery pits of Mordor/China
Oh I totally agree that Norks are good beater guns that will last a long time. I just don't think they are a good representation of what a quality 1911 can be or can do. Its the very bottom end of the 1911 platform....which is apparent due to its low price point.
Building on one today is a bit pointless due to the amount of work required and costs involved when there are so many better alternatives now at much more reasonable prices.
Durable and enjoyable to shoot are definitely 2 different things. Tight and accurate can be 100% reliable these days too.
Peoples tend to vote for brand they own.... With the CanAm deal at 499$ with 1000rds, It's not a surprise if 30 of them voted for Norinco.
I don't think they are bad, but just not the best. As for their supposed super hard metal...... who actually worked on them seriously??? Not just duracoated or charging grips. Who cut their frame?????
Personally I don't know, but at equal prices, I would take an STI/wilson/nighthawk/edbrown frame over a Norinco.
I don't think they are bad, but just not the best. As for their supposed super hard metal...... who actually worked on them seriously??? Not just duracoated or charging grips. Who cut their frame?????
Personally I don't know, but at equal prices, I would take an STI/wilson/nighthawk/edbrown frame over a Norinco.
I have worked on Norinco frames...a lot. It's good steel.
Halger280HVMag
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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I work on 1911 pistols from different manufacturers.
I own personally Colt, Norinco, and other brands of 1911 type pistols.
As for the quality of steel used in the Norinco 1911 series. IMHO, it is second to none.
I voted Norinco.
Others here on CGN, also seem to feel that Norinco 1911 steel is excellent.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/503286-Norinco-Steel-in-the-1911-s
I own personally Colt, Norinco, and other brands of 1911 type pistols.
As for the quality of steel used in the Norinco 1911 series. IMHO, it is second to none.
I voted Norinco.
Others here on CGN, also seem to feel that Norinco 1911 steel is excellent.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/503286-Norinco-Steel-in-the-1911-s
Ya know..... ANY of them, other than maybe Para 
, will do just fine.
BUT!..... and there is always a "but" isn't there? The simple trick to tune any 1911 to work with a steady diet of +P ammo is to install the proper heavier recoil spring so that the slide is properly slowed down and does not hammer the rear travel stop points.
, will do just fine. BUT!..... and there is always a "but" isn't there? The simple trick to tune any 1911 to work with a steady diet of +P ammo is to install the proper heavier recoil spring so that the slide is properly slowed down and does not hammer the rear travel stop points.
The thing about the Norinco 1911 is some people who own them claim to break tools trying to mill new sights, while others who own them laugh at this and pass it off as a myth because they didn't notice any difference.
They're all forged GI-style 1911s for a great price. But they're not super guns or anything substantial. Sometimes they can be out of spec and beat themselves to death.
I notice that Norinco sometimes seems to make their clones thicker than the American models they're copying. I wonder why this is.
They're all forged GI-style 1911s for a great price. But they're not super guns or anything substantial. Sometimes they can be out of spec and beat themselves to death.
I notice that Norinco sometimes seems to make their clones thicker than the American models they're copying. I wonder why this is.
