depends on how much of an impact you think all that oil & grease left behind will cause
just because you can't see it on the snow, doesn't mean it's not there.
Now that is knit-picking!!
Talk about a drowning man pulling on straws----
Rockin sled and quad shots
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Now that is knit-picking!!
Talk about a drowning man pulling on straws----
not really, you should see what a twostroke machine leaves behind. maybe if you spent a little more time reading about the plant life that grows at those altitudes, and how delicate it is, you'd have a better grasp on the topic.
as for being a liberal? well, yes I am. very very liberal. socially anyways. fiscally very conservative. now you're automatically going to assume that aligns me with the Canadian political party with the same name, and you'd be in error. protection of the enviroment is in every hunter's best interest. where do you think the critters we like to hunt live?
Hunters want everything easy these days. far shooting magnums, timed feeders, quads,..... whatever happened to walking, and not scaring the landscape. peace and quite, being able to hear your quarry before you see it. I grew up with hikers and campers, not hunters. but these people did everything in their power to leave as little trace as possible that they were ever there when in the bush. it's really not that hard...
the last time I left the bush from a hike, my backpack weighed twice what it did when i went in. filled it with shotgun shell hulls, beer cans, granola bar wrappers. funny, I was walking down some ATV trails made on crownland....
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you guys sound like a bunch of anti-hunting whiners oh boo fricken hoo its crown land open to everyone to use why do you think you have more right to it for hunting then others do for their activities?.....ATV's and snowmobiles only leave tracks that wash away with some rain or snow.....running snow machines in deep snow also helps wild life get around easier.
We hunt thats our hobby others may ATV thats their hobby yes their hobby can ruin a hunt and if thats a problem then maybe you should buy your own damn land and post it until then STFU....
We hunt thats our hobby others may ATV thats their hobby yes their hobby can ruin a hunt and if thats a problem then maybe you should buy your own damn land and post it until then STFU....
again, east vs. west. another ontario poster complaining. what part of your province isn't already torn to #### from mechanical devices? oh yeah, thats right, the northern reaches, far from the weekend warrior, farming, housing development, and highways 
yes, and if you did your homework, you'd know about the massive decline of woodland caribou in BC, and the studies going on surround just that argument. only the wildlife in question is timberwolves
eventually people like you will get their way. the city centers are booming and the sheeple are populating. one day there won't be any "natural" land left at all. no place to go where you can turn 360 and not see any indication that anyone was there before you.
hopefully I'm dead and gone by then. untill that point I'll just be that whiny ####### that likes his wilderness WILD.
yes, and if you did your homework, you'd know about the massive decline of woodland caribou in BC, and the studies going on surround just that argument. only the wildlife in question is timberwolves
eventually people like you will get their way. the city centers are booming and the sheeple are populating. one day there won't be any "natural" land left at all. no place to go where you can turn 360 and not see any indication that anyone was there before you.
hopefully I'm dead and gone by then. untill that point I'll just be that whiny ####### that likes his wilderness WILD.
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Amphibious, Do you own a car? Live in a house? Ya don't think that house was there before nature was do ya. You think your car pollutes less than any other motorized vehicle? You are probably right, we should give up all our wordly possesions and go live in grass huts, oh wait, that would take grass to make. My statement seem a little far fetched? Ahh, I see, only concern is for the things YOU like, not taking into consideration what others may enjoy. Anyways, not usually this combative but can't believe people who are battling to keep their firearms priveledges in this country think it is OK to have the perception that ATV's should be banned outright. Like one previous poster said, need to have fines and such for the idiots so the rest of us may enjoy what we do. But as far as YOU being the only one with right to access the backcountry because you are walking, gimme a break.
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Ya, most likely hunters from the city should ban there guns and their quads, snow machines, make them pay taxes and go right home after work. That way they can't hurt anyone's feelings, or them selves, or a puddle on the trail.
I know I know Ontario is crap but I have access to 2000acres of land to hunt that is posted and we dont have issues with ATV's...But I also wouldnt be crying if I hunted crown land and an ATV ruined my hunt ya I would be frusterated but crying about it on the internet is ###.
I didnt know I had to do home work to use common sence the land is there for all to use if you dont want to see others using it then buy your own end of story.
if there is a decline in the woodland caribou then hunting season on them should be stopped and a bounty should be put on timber wolves unitl they start to show signs of recovery.... I dont see how ATV's and sleds kill caribou its like saying guns kill people we all know thats not true...or is it.....lol
I didnt know I had to do home work to use common sence the land is there for all to use if you dont want to see others using it then buy your own end of story.
if there is a decline in the woodland caribou then hunting season on them should be stopped and a bounty should be put on timber wolves unitl they start to show signs of recovery.... I dont see how ATV's and sleds kill caribou its like saying guns kill people we all know thats not true...or is it.....lol
they've been red listed for some time. and your argument doesn't make any sense. do you even think before you write this stuff. guns don't kill people, when you point one at a person and pull the trigger it does. ACTIONS. like the actions of alowing snowmobiles into the higher elevations where woodland caribou winter (so the studies are looking into). ACTION. we have laws against the actions that lead people to die from firearms do we not? think.
Oh I think with common sence you think with your opinion which is not common sence we will call it liberal bull s**t.....
A gun can not kill anyone unless some one pulls the trigger smart guy it is mearly a tool to do a job for me its hunting why do you think guns are only used to harm people? why are you even a member of this site if you think guns are so bad?.....Atv's and sleds are mearly tools for one to enjoy an activity called off roading or ATVing its fun and harmless.
I keep comming back to the same thing why do you have more right to land then anyone else? if you hate atv'ers so much buy your own land and post it then you will never have to see an ATV again.....but as long as you enjoy hunting crown land expect atv'ers to be doing the same.....
whining about it here only makes you look like an ignorant anti-hunting advocate saying you have more right to hunt the land then an ATV rider has to ride on the land is like saying a backpacking hippy has more right to the land then you because they are not damaging trees when your bullet misses its mark or wound game if you happen to make a bad shot or hell when you make a good shot and your kill falls over snapping countless helpless saplings what a horrable thing to happen we should ban hunting if it only saves one tree its worth it
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A gun can not kill anyone unless some one pulls the trigger smart guy it is mearly a tool to do a job for me its hunting why do you think guns are only used to harm people? why are you even a member of this site if you think guns are so bad?.....Atv's and sleds are mearly tools for one to enjoy an activity called off roading or ATVing its fun and harmless.
I keep comming back to the same thing why do you have more right to land then anyone else? if you hate atv'ers so much buy your own land and post it then you will never have to see an ATV again.....but as long as you enjoy hunting crown land expect atv'ers to be doing the same.....
whining about it here only makes you look like an ignorant anti-hunting advocate saying you have more right to hunt the land then an ATV rider has to ride on the land is like saying a backpacking hippy has more right to the land then you because they are not damaging trees when your bullet misses its mark or wound game if you happen to make a bad shot or hell when you make a good shot and your kill falls over snapping countless helpless saplings what a horrable thing to happen we should ban hunting if it only saves one tree its worth it
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As a forester I can tell you there is no need to plant most hardwood clearcuts or selective cuts as most hardwood species regenerate through root suckering or seed banked in the soil. If the prescription calls for a conversion to conifer or a mixedwood then it may be planted but it will require herbicide or manual tending, probably more than once.
As for skidder damage, yes it can be a problem but is seldom as bad as it looks and it is a fairly big compliance item now. With Ontario regulations it is actually pretty hard to damage the environment to the point where it is a true environmental disaster.
As for the ATV video, it is not may ideal of a good time but I don't hold it against someone who does.
Actually, Ontario use to be covered with woodland Caribou, all across the northshore and into S Ontario. They have been pushed back to the far north, with scattered pockets, and it is believed to be tied to settlement, logging, road access, gov policy to manage for more moose and a resulting increase in wolves. I can't explain the entire interaction but there is a lot of published material in Ontario on the subject. There is no chance of getting them back either, MNR is just trying to hold onto them where they are now.
One basic premise for increase predation by wolves is that trails and plowed logging roads allow wolves to travel greater distances, and therefore more likely to find prey and thrive.
right well I have no real idea where the arguement about caribou is coming from and a couple atv and sled tracks can hardly be compaired to a clear cut or logging road sorry....the arguement started about hunters thinking they have more right to public land the ATV riders where did caribou come into this?.....
Oh I think with common sence you think with your opinion which is not common sence we will call it liberal bull s**t.....
A gun can not kill anyone unless some one pulls the trigger smart guy it is mearly a tool to do a job for me its hunting why do you think guns are only used to harm people? why are you even a member of this site if you think guns are so bad?.....Atv's and sleds are mearly tools for one to enjoy an activity called off roading or ATVing its fun and harmless.
I keep comming back to the same thing why do you have more right to land then anyone else? if you hate atv'ers so much buy your own land and post it then you will never have to see an ATV again.....but as long as you enjoy hunting crown land expect atv'ers to be doing the same.....
whining about it here only makes you look like an ignorant anti-hunting advocate saying you have more right to hunt the land then an ATV rider has to ride on the land is like saying a backpacking hippy has more right to the land then you because they are not damaging trees when your bullet misses its mark or wound game if you happen to make a bad shot or hell when you make a good shot and your kill falls over snapping countless helpless saplings what a horrable thing to happen we should ban hunting if it only saves one tree its worth it
i keep re-reading your post trying to make sense of it so I can post a retort. but so far it seems your argument is disjointed and out to lunch I'm not really sure you're even commenting on one of mine?
you're really knitpicking with the damage a bullet can do to a tree. wow. a moose going from lake to lake breaks more branches then a box of ammo could ever do. you'd hear it happening if you got off your quad
a broken branch is not out of place in a forest, tire tracks and ruts are.my enjoyment of crownland does not permenantly impact it. hunting is strictly regulated for this reason. comparing hunting to recreational powersports on crownland is ignorant. one is carefully managed and enforced by various government institutions, the other is pretty much free-reign.
thats where the caribou example came from. there are no trees in the alpine, so no logging roads. but there are caribou.... and thats where the best powder is for sleding.
it seems to me your priorities are to fun and not to the welfare of the enviroment that supports your pasttime, economy, and ultimately, life.
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depends on how much of an impact you think all that oil & grease left behind will cause
just because you can't see it on the snow, doesn't mean it's not there.
quote Amphib-->you're really knitpicking with the damage a bullet can do to a tree. wow.
Now there's the pot calling the kettle black
So tell me is it OK to fly yer helly over them meadows?? I'm sure one of them flyin machines leak as much or more oil & grease than a snowmachine
quote Amphib the last time I left the bush from a hike, my backpack weighed twice what it did when i went in. filled it with shotgun shell hulls, beer cans, granola bar wrappers. funny, I was walking down some ATV trails made on crownland....
Handy little things them trails your walkin on eh
Course none of those cans, shotgun shells etc could have came from someone ELSE walking down those handy trails
I think everyones opinion that Amph is a lieral is absolutely wrong...sounds to me like he follows Laytons line of thinking much closer
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I know that Kenny but apparently some others on this site think every logging operation follows along behind grooming the land & planting trees which is just not the case.
Yes in a lot of cases that skidder damage looks worse than it is, much like ATV tracks!
I'm out to lunch guys I guess the part about the land not belonging to just one person just cant get through some ones head.....thats really the end to the arguement.....do you own the land Amphib?....NOPE so shut up if you dont want to see ATV tracks or what ever then buy your own quarter and leave us be.....
I dont own an ATV or SLED much like I dont own a Handgun but you will never see me calling for a ban of either its our right to own them and enjoy our crown land....so a few tracks get left behind like you said a moose coming out of a swamp breaks more trees then that.....now we are on to moose I thought this was caribou country?.....
replying to you makes my head hurt you just dont get it I'm going out for lunch now Amphib made me hungry.
I'll make sure to hug a tree or two for ya while I'm out and shake my fist angerly if I see ATV'ers.
I dont own an ATV or SLED much like I dont own a Handgun but you will never see me calling for a ban of either its our right to own them and enjoy our crown land....so a few tracks get left behind like you said a moose coming out of a swamp breaks more trees then that.....now we are on to moose I thought this was caribou country?.....
replying to you makes my head hurt you just dont get it I'm going out for lunch now Amphib made me hungry.
I'll make sure to hug a tree or two for ya while I'm out and shake my fist angerly if I see ATV'ers.
