Romanian 7.62x39 surplus
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MapleSugar
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That isn't a bad price at all.
Your cases are Berdan primed, and judging by the year, I would still say corrosive.
I think the brass cases should cycle a little softer in your rifle than steel cases.
Some guys do manage to reload Berdan cases, but I hear it is a PITA.
I have some brass Berdan primed 7.62x39mm and 7.92x57mm that I'm saving to make dummy rounds out of.
At the very least, save your brass in a 5 gallon bucket and take them to the metal recyclers for some extra cash.
ghostntheshell
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Wow. I never actually considered doing that. How much do u get for say 1300 rounds?
stripperclipper
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$1.50 per pound? Just guessing. Depends on the market.
MapleSugar
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I'm not sure, I haven't done it yet, but probably enough to buy lunch at a fast food restaurant.
I know a few guys that recycle the brass they can't reload. They certainly seem to find it a worthwhile endeavour.
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very interesting, surplus ammo amazes me everytime for some reason
does that case have 2 metal tins inside it?
i got a metal tin with a russian SKS awhile back, they had a crate that looked exactly like that, and they told me it was russian surp but a guy on here posted a pic of the same thing and everyone told him it was polish surplus,
the crate looked the same as the one you got, so maybe, just maybe, mine is brass cased too
does that case have 2 metal tins inside it?
i got a metal tin with a russian SKS awhile back, they had a crate that looked exactly like that, and they told me it was russian surp but a guy on here posted a pic of the same thing and everyone told him it was polish surplus,
the crate looked the same as the one you got, so maybe, just maybe, mine is brass cased too
No tins inside, but the ammo was repacked by the importer. the crate of polish stuff that i have did come with two tins of 700 rnds each inside, but its slightly different, it has heavy canvas handles and on latch in the front. the ammo is steel cased. but that crate cost me $300 .
edit: actually im sure there were tins in there before because there is a can opener screwed to the lid on the inside.
.edit: actually im sure there were tins in there before because there is a can opener screwed to the lid on the inside.
Hello guys,
Just from a Romanian guy to my Canadian fellow-shooters, I too believe that this 7.62 mm stuff is great for target practice.
The groups are tight(er) than for the Polish, Russian and even USSR corrosive stuff I`ve shot before.
I know that every hen will praise its babies, in my case I know it sounds fake (me being Romanian), but I swear to God, the groups were better when shooting the Romanian stuff.
That being said... I advise you all to have good back stoppers or berms at the range, cause this kind of ammo wreaked havoc in December 1989 during the revolution.
This is what the army apparently still uses back in the old country and let me tell you, those rounds penetrate through cement block 1 foot thick at 200 yds.
SO, be safe and enjoy the sport.
One note for those who really want to differentiate between ROmanian ammo and stuff from the Eastern bloc....
If you take a look at the pics posted within this thread, you will notice the marking `1320 buc.` meaning `1320 bucati`. Translation: (RO) bucati - (EN) pieces or - since we are talking firearms & ammo - (EN) rounds.
1320 buc. = 1320 rounds
Take care everybody.
Cheers.
Just from a Romanian guy to my Canadian fellow-shooters, I too believe that this 7.62 mm stuff is great for target practice.
The groups are tight(er) than for the Polish, Russian and even USSR corrosive stuff I`ve shot before.
I know that every hen will praise its babies, in my case I know it sounds fake (me being Romanian), but I swear to God, the groups were better when shooting the Romanian stuff.
That being said... I advise you all to have good back stoppers or berms at the range, cause this kind of ammo wreaked havoc in December 1989 during the revolution.
This is what the army apparently still uses back in the old country and let me tell you, those rounds penetrate through cement block 1 foot thick at 200 yds.
SO, be safe and enjoy the sport.
One note for those who really want to differentiate between ROmanian ammo and stuff from the Eastern bloc....
If you take a look at the pics posted within this thread, you will notice the marking `1320 buc.` meaning `1320 bucati`. Translation: (RO) bucati - (EN) pieces or - since we are talking firearms & ammo - (EN) rounds.
1320 buc. = 1320 rounds
Take care everybody.
Cheers.
here are a series of posts about an ammo test conducted a week ago that included the brass-cased Romanian ammo from Lebaron.
I wanted to know:
Does some milsurp 7.62x39 ammo group better than others?
What can be expected from good milsurp ammo?
What kind of groups can be expected from a SKS?
Does the CZ858 group better than the SKS?
Tomorrow I go to the range to find out. I will bench shoot at 100 yards with 3 bolt rifles in 7.62x39, a 858 and 2 SKS rifles.
The bolt rifles have scopes of at least 9X. The two SKS have 4X cheap compact scopes (by cheap I mean $20) and the 858 has a Sparc red dot with a 2X magnifier.
For ammo I have 6 different samples of common milsurp:
Czech blue box
Russian and Romanian, from the last two sales at Lebaron
Polish, as comes with the Marstar SKS deal
Yugo.
Wolf non-corrosive HP
Mexican match made from Romanian ammo and Hornady 123gr SP.
The bolt guns will fire all the different ammos and be used to get an idea of how the various ammos compare. I built a 7.62x39 test rifle for this project. It is a Rem788 with an old target rifle barrel chambered in 7.62x39. The 308Win chamber and worn throat was cut off, so this barrel is in good shape. It is now about 20". With handloading and good bullets I assume it will get well under an inch. I have not yet fired a shot from it.
The the best 2 milsurp ammos and the Mexican match will be shot in the two SKS and 858 to get an idea of what can be expected from those rifles with decent ammo.
Time permitting, I will try 3 kinds of ammo in my Norinco M4, to see what kind of accuracy it is capable of, off a bench.
Stay tuned for more pictures and results, tomorrow.
Ok, I am back from the range. The shooting went reasonably well. Except I forgot to bring the targets home. (My age is rapidly approaching my IQ.) Fortunately, my host at the Guelph range recognized my error and picked up the targets. I will get them tomorrow.
But there are some things I can share now:
the heavy barreled Rem788 handled all the ammo well, even though it is a 308 barrel. No extraction problems or signs of pressure.
The milsurp all shot somewhat the same. I could probably cover most the groups with a coffee cup lid.
The CZ grouped better than the SKS, even though it had a red dot, not a scope.
The 3 SKS rifles all grouped about the same. A bread plate would cover the groups. maybe a few were saucer sized.
I tested two different brake designs on my CZ858. The CZ style worked well. The little AK style one had a fairly violent push down on the muzzle. But the detents positioned the brake at either 11 or 1 o'clock. Logic say the brake should be vertical. Yes?
I tested 3 kinds of ammo in my Norico M4. 55, 62 & 69 gr handloads and IVI. I think the 55 was best at around 3 inches. This was disappointing.
On the other hand, my #4T shot very well. The 174 MK with 39gr RL15 (a mild load) grouped close to an inch.
I took a stack of 50 yard pistol targets. They are about 2 feet square. I posted these backwards, and stapled a 4x6" black square as an aiming mark. I aimed at each corner of the square, giving me 4 groups per sheet of paper.
There was a rack of rifles behind me, waiting to be shot.
Here are the brakes. The little one needs a new detent notch filed in it.
Tomorrow I will post the actual results. But now I have some rifles to clean....
I am knee deep is shot up targets. The results have been tabulated.
Each target has 2 to 4 groups on it. As the groups were fired, notes were made at the firing point of where the group was on the target. When the target was retrieved, I wrote the rifle and ammo used on each group, so there would be no confusion later.
This is not a statically valid test. More rifles and more groups of each ammo would be required, but the results are good enough for my immediate needs.
My conclusions:
--Milsurp 7.62x39 ammo is about 2 minute ammo.
--The CZ858 shoots it around 4 minutes (with a red dot). With a scope maybe around 3 minutes.
-- The MarkX Mini Mauser does not shoot very well for a bolt action rifle. may not do as well as the 858. ??
--My 3 SKS rifles delivered around 5 minutes.
Remington 788, 12X Redfield scope. heavy 308 1:13 match barrel 100 yards off sandbags
Russian (Lebarons, last year) 2.4"
Czech (blue box) 1.0" !!
Romanian (Lebarons right now) 2.5"
Polish (Marstar right now) 1.87"
Yugo 1.35"
Wolf non-corr HP 1.21
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 24.5gr 1.91"
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 25.5gr 1.18"
Romanian with powder charge reduced to 18gr for CQB rapid fire 1.95" Prints about 4 " lower.
Mark X Mini Mauser 4X Redfield
Russian (Lebarons, last year) 3.85"
Czech (blue box) 6.0"
Romanian (Lebarons right now) 3.1"
Polish (Marstar right now) 6.15"
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 24.5gr 5.23"
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 25.5gr 4.0"
CZ858with Vortex Sparc and 2X eyepiece
Russian 4.9"
Czech 3.3"
SKS #1 Chinese military 4X scope
Russian 5.0""
Czech no target
SKS #2 Norinco 4X scope
Russian 3.9"
Czech 5.35"
SKS #3 Russian re-furb 4X scope
Russian 8.3"
Czech 6.5
I hope to repeat and extend this test soon. I have removed the bayonets from the SKS rifles in the hopes that will improve accuracy.
I wanted to know:
Does some milsurp 7.62x39 ammo group better than others?
What can be expected from good milsurp ammo?
What kind of groups can be expected from a SKS?
Does the CZ858 group better than the SKS?
Tomorrow I go to the range to find out. I will bench shoot at 100 yards with 3 bolt rifles in 7.62x39, a 858 and 2 SKS rifles.
The bolt rifles have scopes of at least 9X. The two SKS have 4X cheap compact scopes (by cheap I mean $20) and the 858 has a Sparc red dot with a 2X magnifier.
For ammo I have 6 different samples of common milsurp:
Czech blue box
Russian and Romanian, from the last two sales at Lebaron
Polish, as comes with the Marstar SKS deal
Yugo.
Wolf non-corrosive HP
Mexican match made from Romanian ammo and Hornady 123gr SP.
The bolt guns will fire all the different ammos and be used to get an idea of how the various ammos compare. I built a 7.62x39 test rifle for this project. It is a Rem788 with an old target rifle barrel chambered in 7.62x39. The 308Win chamber and worn throat was cut off, so this barrel is in good shape. It is now about 20". With handloading and good bullets I assume it will get well under an inch. I have not yet fired a shot from it.
The the best 2 milsurp ammos and the Mexican match will be shot in the two SKS and 858 to get an idea of what can be expected from those rifles with decent ammo.
Time permitting, I will try 3 kinds of ammo in my Norinco M4, to see what kind of accuracy it is capable of, off a bench.
Stay tuned for more pictures and results, tomorrow.
Ok, I am back from the range. The shooting went reasonably well. Except I forgot to bring the targets home. (My age is rapidly approaching my IQ.) Fortunately, my host at the Guelph range recognized my error and picked up the targets. I will get them tomorrow.
But there are some things I can share now:
the heavy barreled Rem788 handled all the ammo well, even though it is a 308 barrel. No extraction problems or signs of pressure.
The milsurp all shot somewhat the same. I could probably cover most the groups with a coffee cup lid.
The CZ grouped better than the SKS, even though it had a red dot, not a scope.
The 3 SKS rifles all grouped about the same. A bread plate would cover the groups. maybe a few were saucer sized.
I tested two different brake designs on my CZ858. The CZ style worked well. The little AK style one had a fairly violent push down on the muzzle. But the detents positioned the brake at either 11 or 1 o'clock. Logic say the brake should be vertical. Yes?
I tested 3 kinds of ammo in my Norico M4. 55, 62 & 69 gr handloads and IVI. I think the 55 was best at around 3 inches. This was disappointing.
On the other hand, my #4T shot very well. The 174 MK with 39gr RL15 (a mild load) grouped close to an inch.
I took a stack of 50 yard pistol targets. They are about 2 feet square. I posted these backwards, and stapled a 4x6" black square as an aiming mark. I aimed at each corner of the square, giving me 4 groups per sheet of paper.
There was a rack of rifles behind me, waiting to be shot.
Here are the brakes. The little one needs a new detent notch filed in it.
Tomorrow I will post the actual results. But now I have some rifles to clean....
I am knee deep is shot up targets. The results have been tabulated.
Each target has 2 to 4 groups on it. As the groups were fired, notes were made at the firing point of where the group was on the target. When the target was retrieved, I wrote the rifle and ammo used on each group, so there would be no confusion later.
This is not a statically valid test. More rifles and more groups of each ammo would be required, but the results are good enough for my immediate needs.
My conclusions:
--Milsurp 7.62x39 ammo is about 2 minute ammo.
--The CZ858 shoots it around 4 minutes (with a red dot). With a scope maybe around 3 minutes.
-- The MarkX Mini Mauser does not shoot very well for a bolt action rifle. may not do as well as the 858. ??
--My 3 SKS rifles delivered around 5 minutes.
Remington 788, 12X Redfield scope. heavy 308 1:13 match barrel 100 yards off sandbags
Russian (Lebarons, last year) 2.4"
Czech (blue box) 1.0" !!
Romanian (Lebarons right now) 2.5"
Polish (Marstar right now) 1.87"
Yugo 1.35"
Wolf non-corr HP 1.21
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 24.5gr 1.91"
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 25.5gr 1.18"
Romanian with powder charge reduced to 18gr for CQB rapid fire 1.95" Prints about 4 " lower.
Mark X Mini Mauser 4X Redfield
Russian (Lebarons, last year) 3.85"
Czech (blue box) 6.0"
Romanian (Lebarons right now) 3.1"
Polish (Marstar right now) 6.15"
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 24.5gr 5.23"
Romanian with Hornady 123 SP bullet 25.5gr 4.0"
CZ858with Vortex Sparc and 2X eyepiece
Russian 4.9"
Czech 3.3"
SKS #1 Chinese military 4X scope
Russian 5.0""
Czech no target
SKS #2 Norinco 4X scope
Russian 3.9"
Czech 5.35"
SKS #3 Russian re-furb 4X scope
Russian 8.3"
Czech 6.5
I hope to repeat and extend this test soon. I have removed the bayonets from the SKS rifles in the hopes that will improve accuracy.
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- Georgetown Ontario
it was cool to find the can opener inside but a real bummer with no cans to open. Why they insist on f___ing up our surplus ammo packaging is beyond me.
Bingo. Explosives regulations require ammunition packaging to be marked with at least the caliber, and some other info too I believe. You can thank greedy retailers breaking open cases and selling them in contravention of this regulation, for the individual labeling and subsequent increased price.
P0WERWAGON
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why does this cheap ammo never make it to the left coast?
Great post and pictures ganderite!
thanks for all time spent keeping us informed..e-mailed Lebaron and they said the Romainian ammo was non-corrosive, so if it is do they clean your rifle for you? Or just generating future rifle sales?
