Ross MKI

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I have a Ross MKI that needs a stock, I have the opportunity to have a stock made for it. The rifle is only missing the nose cap and the rest of the metal is in good condition, including the rear site. My dilemma
is do I get a nice sporter stock made or go with an original military style stock. I enjoy hunting with Ross rifles my first choice is the 1905 R the action is so smooth and it is nice and light. This year I will have a new one to try its a 1910 E that just got its wood recheckered by Klaus Hiptmayer and it looks gorgeous. My MKII 5 star never makes it out of that cabinet, so my idea is that it might be nice to have a MKI sporter that I would use, an I wrong?
 
Depends if you can get or make a nosecap, or if you are prepared to wait until you can. Not worth having a temporary stock made IMO, and not much of a hunting rifle either.
 
That's because there were literally about 20 military Ross rifles made in 280 Ross. You can find the 280 factory sporters once in a while, usually shot out. They were called the M-10.
 
Not sure on the shot out part on the sporters, I have 3 of them 2 model 10's and a 1907 Scottish deer stocker and the barrels are okay in all 3. The model 10's have been shot and show some wear which is expected for 100 year old gun but 1907 has a very good barrel
 
You are lucky then. Cordite in what was essentially a 7mm mag was recipe for short barrel life. I've been told expected round count could be as low as 1500 before accuracy fell off from wear. My M-10 has an exceptional bore but most that you see do not. Same with 1905-R and 1910-R, most were hunted hard and shot lots and there are a lot more heavily worn than not.

I would love to see that SDS!
 
Most of the bad bores found in M-10 .280s was due to not cleaning properly after shooting Kynoch ammo which has corrosive primers.

I suspect not cleaning properly after using corrosive surplus .303 ammo that used to be so common, did not help the bores on some of the Ross` seen today either.

Here`s another vote for seeing that SDS as well.
 
Hello Ross rifle owners; If I was fortunate enough to find a Ross of any type, how much should I expect to pay for it? I guess I would most likely find a sporterized one?
 
Between $75 and $15,000 depending on condition and model.

Sporterized military rifles can be anywhere from $75 for junkers to about $300 or $400 for a pretty nice one.
 
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Here another Ross that isn't to common, it is 1901 sporter with a Hartford action and the rest of the gun made in England by Charles Lancaster, Caliber is 375 flanged 2 1/2 with express sights and a bolt peep sight and a name on the case I have also included some information I have found out on the gun

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370 Nitro proof s/n 011792 1902 made for Lt Col. G Cuthbert. 40gr cordite 320grn bullet/ From the Lancaster records July 2008
Cuthbert, Colonel Gerald James
He was born Sep 12, 1861, and joined the Scots Guards in 1882. He took part in the Sudan Expedition in 1885 (medal with clasp and bronze star); acted as ADC to the Brig. General at Aldershot from 1889-90; and served in the Boer War in 1899-1902, taking part in the advance on Kimberley and the actions at Belmont, Enslin, Modder River, and Magersfontein; the operations in the Orange Free State, including the actions at Poplar Grove, Driefontein, Vet River, and Zand River; operations in the Transvaal, including the actions near Johannesburg, Pretoria, and Diamond Hill, and at Rict Vlei and Belfast (despatches, brevet of Lieutenant Colonel, QSA with six clasps, and Kings medal with two clasps). In 1906 Colonel Cuthbert was appointed AAG on the Staff in Egypt.
LORD ROBERTS' MENTIONS, September 4, 19O1.
Lord Roberts' despatch, dated London, September 4, is in continuation of that of April 2, and contains a further list of Regulars, Militia, Yeomanry, and Volunteers, together with a few Irregulars and Civilians, who have rendered special and meritorious service: -
Scots Guards-Lieutenant Colonel Honourable C Harbord; Majors L G Drummond, W P Pulteney, DSO, (Brevet Lieutenant Colonel) G J Cuthbert, W C G McGrigor, F J Heyworth; Captains S H Godman, R G I Bolton, H C Lowther, W F Lascelles, Honourable C S Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, Honourable W P Hore Ruthven, J C Heriot-Maitland; Lieutenants M Barne, Honourable H J Fraser, A B E Gator, F M A Atkinson-Clark, B H S Romilly, R S Tempest, A A L Stephen, T H R Bulkeley, Lord G R Grosvenor; Quartermasters and Honourable Lieutenants W Jamieson, G Payne; Surgeon Lieutenant Colonel G S Robinson and Surgeon-Major W C Beevor, Medical Officers; Sergeant Majors T Ross, J W Sibary; Quartermaster Sergeants R Murray, W Plumer; Drill Sergeants S Buckthought, J Mitchell; Colour Sergeants R Elder, G Orchard, J McGregor, A Broadley, W M Bucknell, A Toomey, D Fisher, O Smith, J Galloway, G Weaver, G Nesbitt; Paymaster Sergeant R H Millis; Sergeants, J Buckthought, T Sargent, J McGregor, E McDermott, J Brown; Lance Sergeante. C Mallen, A W Parsons, J Martin; Lance Corporals A C E Drake, E P Farrow, E Orford, R Calder; Privates W Morrison, A Anderson, J Pilfold, H Stewart, F Starling, P Dusey; Piper A Martin.
MAGERSFONTEIN, December 1O, 11, 1899
From Lord Methuen's despatch, February 15, 1900.
Staff I have to express my appreciation of the clear orders given out, and the careful arrangements made by Colonel Douglas, ADC, my chief staff officer, for the attack. Major General Sir H Colvile showed coolness and judgment throughout two trying days. The same remark applies to Major General Babington. Lieutenant Cuthbert, Scots Guards, my extra ADU, showed considerable coolness in taking a message from me to the Gordon Highlanders; a volley was fired at him, killing his horse; he took off wallets and saddle and returned, let-tang me learn from others how he had behaved. Major Maberley, RHA, acting galloper to Major General Babington, after rallying 30 or 40 men of different regiments, was severely wounded. Captain Ruggles-Brise, brigade-major, and the ADC; of Sir H Colvile's staff, again earn honourable mention, not only in delivering orders, but also for their clear and accurate description of the position.
No. 119 Gerald James Cuthbert ('Bluebell')
Major-General Gerald James Cuthbert (1861-1931) was a Scots Guardsman who commanded 13th Brigade (1914), 140th Brigade (1914-16), and 39th Division (1916-17). He was replaced as a divisional commander after a critical report by his corps commander, Sir Ivor Maxse. Cuthbert’s nickname is mentioned in ‘With the Post Office Rifles in France and Flanders 1915-18, Tales from the Trenches!’, written by Rifleman Walter Young (IWM: 88/57/1). Cuthbert was given the nickname because he was always getting his troops to clean things: bluebells=spring=cleaning?

King's College London
Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives
Survey of the Papers of Senior UK Defence Personnel, 1900-1975
Name
CUTHBERT, Gerald James (1861-1931), Major General
Service biography
Joined Scots Guards 1882; 2 Bn, Scots Guards, Suakin expedition 1885; Aide-de-camp to Maj Gen Frederick William Edward Forestier Forestier- Walker, Aldershot 1889-1890; South African War 1899-1902; Commander, 1 Bn Scots Guards 1901; Commander, 1 Bn Scots Guards 1904-1906; Assistant Adjutant General, Egypt 1906-1909; Commander, Scots Guards Regt and 4 London Infantry Bde 1909-1913; World War I 1914-1917; Commander, 13 Infantry Bde 1914; Commander, 140 Infantry Bde 1915-1916; Commander, 39 Div 1916-1917; Commander, 72 Div and Shorncliffe Command 1918-1919
Papers
No papers have been traced
 
Those are some nice looking sporters there. Sadly my MKI was never built as a sporter so I guess it will go back to its military roots. Well that brings me to another problems, I'm looking for another one this time a sporter.
 
Takes time for sure to find these now I was lucky and found them a few years ago the Lancaster sporter a dealer I know that moved here from England found that one and there was no interest in it at that time so I got it and it is a hard find now
John
 
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