Ross ####-Please add your pics!

We've had quite a number of Ross threads over the last three years:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/search.php?searchid=21842592

Not "####" but it deserves to be repeated here for future reference. There are two major errors I see, but the other info is useful.

NB.nagantsniper said:
1.. The following article appeared originally in a wartime number of The
Rifleman:

OUR military authorities occasionally issue weapons, especially to the unfortunate Home Guard, with totally inadequate, and some cases complete absence of, information as to how to use them. The Ross rifle is a case in point. Most people manage eventually to worry out the mysteries of the bolt, but generally the backsight defeats them. The Editor has asked me to ensure that readers at least of The Rifleman shall be properly informed.

There have been several variations of this sight issued in past years, but all those I have seen in this country are of the model described here.

It has two "Battle Sights", which are cut-away apertures both fixed to the slide which also has an ordinary or closed Aperture.

The normal position of this slide is, of course, at the bottom of the Leaf, and the Leaf down.

The Battle Sight which then shows is set for 600 yards. NOT 400 yards. There is no 400 yard Battle Sight on this Ross.

If you now flip up the Leaf, the other Battle Sight shows.

This is (with the slide at the bottom as stated) set for 1,000 yards.

The idea is that, against an advancing enemy, the soldier starts shooting, with this Battle Sight up, when they are 1,000 yards away, and until they reach 600 yards away. He then flips the Leaf down and continues with the 600 yard Battle Sight aiming down (if he knows the trajectory) when they get closer. A very good idea, too-if anyone were ever told about it.

Both these Battle Sights have, as I said, cut-away Apertures. They are variously referred to by the ignorant as "Open sights," "Modified U's," "Buckhorns," and all kinds of things ; and instructors instruct recruits to "get the blade in the center of the U and level with the shoulders." It is pathetic! Imagine any rifle designer fitting an open sight at two inches from the eye! Not outside Bedlam.

No-use them exactly like any other aperture. Just imagine, if you like, that the bit of the ring cut away at the top is still there, and go ahead.

It is cut out to let more light through in bad light, and to enable you to pick up your object quicker. But as no British soldiers or Home Guards ever practice shooting in dusk at natural targets, they would not know this. Nor would they know anything about the virtues of white sight-paint and shooting with both eyes open-things which the stalker learns in his cradle and which soldiers should be taught but never are. However, we are supposed to be talking about the Ross Sight.

As stated, there is an ordinary Aperture, at the bottom of the slide, which has the 1,000 yard Battle Sight at the top.

This Aperture is for all accurate deliberate fire. It is raised up the Leaf by a quick thread screw, and on the face of the Leaf are Range Markings in yards. This series of figures starts at zero, and then 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 hundred yards. There is no 100 yards. One hundred is never used as a range marking in war, and if you want to set your sight accurately for 100 for practice (grouping) you have to find the elevation, somewhere above zero, for yourself.

On the right edge of the Leaf is a Scale. This is not another series of hundreds of yards markings. Its zero is level with the other zero. There is no other connection. It is meant to be used, for targeting the rifle, exactly like the scales on civilian .22 rifle sights, which have no ranges marked on.

This scale is marked from One to Nine. These are tenths of an inch. Each division is again divided up into four.

One-tenth of an inch, at this sight radius, gives you, near enough, ten minutes of angle. A quarter division therefore gives you a quarter of this, or 2.5 minutes of angle; and this is the finest adjustment shown. There are no "clicks" but you can of course set the sight to finer adjustment by judgment. The scale is probably intended chiefly to enable a man to take exact readings of the sight on this scale for the various ranges, if the rifle does not agree exactly with the range markings, as it seldom does, owing to the impossibility of standardising precisely such things as stocking and barrel flip and jump. [Not correct: on the micrometer or “vernier” scale, with the scale set a zero, there are five movements of the wheel required to bring the scale to each line successively between “0" and “1"; in other words each graduation represents 2 minutes of angle, not 2.5 This is also stated in the Handbook for the Canadian Service Rifle, Ross MkIII, 1913.]

Behind and at the bottom of the Leaf is a triple knurled head which works the Wind gauge. There is on the front of the Leaf a Wind gauge Scale marked in twentieths of an inch. Each of these, of course, gives five minutes of lateral angle. They are not divided any more finely, and intermediate settings are obtained by the knurled head. [Not correct: the windgauge scale is also vernier scale, which can be adjusted and read in 1 minute increments, if the user understands how to read a vernier scale; the author apparently did not. This is also confirmed by the above Handbook.]

The wind gauge is, of course, a very convenient means of adjustment for straight shooting. It should then be left alone. Wind allowance is not done now by wind gauge in military shooting.

By the way, there is a very simple way of checking the range to which these, or any other Battle Sights are supposed to be set, as follows.

Fix the rifle firmly in a vice or the like, with the 600 yard Battle Sight and foresight lined up correctly at a mark - any mark, at any distance. It doesn't matter.

Now raise the Leaf (without moving the rifle) and screw up the slide until the Aperture in the bottom of it comes correctly to the same aim. If you have done it right, you will find that it has come up to the 600 yards
mark. That is your check.

Similarly, with the Leaf up and slide at the bottom, line up the Leaf Battle Sight with the mark. Then screw up the slide until the Aperture comes to the aim. It will be at the 1,000 yards mark.

You can check a P.14 or M.17 similarly, when with the P.14 you will find that the Battle Sight aim agrees with that of the Slide Aperture at 400 yards, as a rule. I have found a few which were set for 300 yards. The
Battle Sight on the M.17 agrees with the leaf at 450 yards. This is because the Battle Sight is identical and the same height on both rifles, and thus gives a longer range, by 50 yards, to the higher velocity .300 cartridge.

The leaf sights are not the same, each being correctly marked at the range elevations for its cartridge. (September, 1942.)

09-21-2012, 04:42 PM
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And the backsight must be set at 700 yards or less when folded down so that the sight sits flat on its base and the 600 yard open aperture is at the correct elevation.

And they all looked like this once, :(

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Here's the "####" motherload for y'all!

http://rossrifle.com/forum/index.php?board=10.0
 
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Here are a few of mine ,one full wood ,one with full length barrel,marked to 48 highlanders and two that were sportered at some point .All are working and in very good condition.
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I just got the dreaded 3rd Party Image Photobucket notice...my pics on there won't work much longer.

Edited to add- I've now transferred the first post anyway over to IMGUR, so hopefully they'll stay up.

I closed out my Photobucket account as have many others.
 
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An interesting story for you. When I was a young man in the early 70's I was a member of a fraternal lodge. There was a older WW1 veterin in the lodge that I became friends with. He was in his early ninetys but still was able to deer hunt. He used a Ross rifle. After we became friends I asked him if he had used a Ross rifle while he was in the trenches overseas. He said that he had and that he was disappointed with the accuracy of the LE rifles that they were issued to replace the Ross rifles. He allowed that the Ross rifles had problems with stoppages because of the conditions in the trenches but that good soldiers that maintained their rifles had very few such problems. (kind of like the problems that the M16 rifles were plagued with in Vietnam). He said--about the only good point that he would give the LE over the Ross was that when it was fouled with dirt that you could "piss it clean". That trick would not work on the enclosed locking lugs and tighter tolerances of the Ross rifles.
 
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