Ross rifle inspection! Experts needed!!!!
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hunterinthewoods
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- Nova Scotia
OP your photo quality is complete garbage, makes it hard to see your rifle.
I, too, find that the photos....... uh...... "lack definition", to the point that accurate replies are compromised more than a bit.
The close-up which begins the thread shows a Bolt which is assembled CORRECTLY.
OP: do yourself a really HUGE favour and read the Stickie. This rifle has the 1910 Ross action, the strongest ever made, but it COULD be assembled in a dangerous condition. This one is okay right now, but DO be careful if you remove the Bolt any time. You MUST have that inch of clearance between the Bolt Sleeve and the Locking Lugs, else the Lugs cannot rotate in order to lock up.
You think the rifle is accurate now? It will be TWICE as accurate with the proper rear-sight assembled. You need a complete Mlitary-type Receiver Bridge for a Mark III Ross Rifle, with the Ross Battle Aperture Sight and you need the 4 tiny screws with which to mount it. The Screws are a standard thread; all Ross screws were to US standards: no oddball threads. This sight is fully adjustable for shooting with military ammunition but it also may be used for commercial ammo AND it is fully adjustable for wind!
The Rifle looks to me like one of the ones which our guys took overseas during the First World War, turned in for a Lee-Enfield, the Rosses going to the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines. Some were surplussed as late as the 1950s and rebuilt into excellent Sporters in British shops, into the 1960s. The heavy Barrel is very much the giveaway for the sportered Military Ross: the commercial Factory Sporters had long, slnder, lightweight barrels. These sportered Military rifles are a pound heavier but they can be made to shoot exceptionally accurately.
BTW guys, listen to TIRIAQ when he speaks. He will NOT give you bad information and he is generally bang-on. I TRY not to give bad information, but I don't know everything. (Yet!)
These are truly great rifles, even though the last one was made 96 years ago. They deserve MUCH better than most people give them.
Hope this helps.
The close-up which begins the thread shows a Bolt which is assembled CORRECTLY.
OP: do yourself a really HUGE favour and read the Stickie. This rifle has the 1910 Ross action, the strongest ever made, but it COULD be assembled in a dangerous condition. This one is okay right now, but DO be careful if you remove the Bolt any time. You MUST have that inch of clearance between the Bolt Sleeve and the Locking Lugs, else the Lugs cannot rotate in order to lock up.
You think the rifle is accurate now? It will be TWICE as accurate with the proper rear-sight assembled. You need a complete Mlitary-type Receiver Bridge for a Mark III Ross Rifle, with the Ross Battle Aperture Sight and you need the 4 tiny screws with which to mount it. The Screws are a standard thread; all Ross screws were to US standards: no oddball threads. This sight is fully adjustable for shooting with military ammunition but it also may be used for commercial ammo AND it is fully adjustable for wind!
The Rifle looks to me like one of the ones which our guys took overseas during the First World War, turned in for a Lee-Enfield, the Rosses going to the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines. Some were surplussed as late as the 1950s and rebuilt into excellent Sporters in British shops, into the 1960s. The heavy Barrel is very much the giveaway for the sportered Military Ross: the commercial Factory Sporters had long, slnder, lightweight barrels. These sportered Military rifles are a pound heavier but they can be made to shoot exceptionally accurately.
BTW guys, listen to TIRIAQ when he speaks. He will NOT give you bad information and he is generally bang-on. I TRY not to give bad information, but I don't know everything. (Yet!)
These are truly great rifles, even though the last one was made 96 years ago. They deserve MUCH better than most people give them.
Hope this helps.
You might want to read and save this for future reference...
There's an outstanding article by "PerversPépère", on Ross M-10 Rifle Bolt Disassembly (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=298-Ross-M-10-Rifle-Bolt-Disassembly and the dangers of doing it incorrectly. It may be found under the Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php...esearch-for-milsurp-collectors-and-re-loaders forum of the Milsurp Knowledge Libraries.
Regards,
Doug
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That's a good article. Thanks for the info. I feel much better about the Ross rifle now. Thinking on keeping my out for another one. Surprising there is so many floating around when they only made about 400,000. I bet there is about 200,000 lost in combat. I am surprised how many made it back to Canada.
I think I will track down a proper rear sight with the screw elevation and windbags adjustment. To bad they are not universal.
I think I will track down a proper rear sight with the screw elevation and windbags adjustment. To bad they are not universal.
In 1939, Canada had over 100 000 Ross rifles in inventory - more Rosses than Lee Enfields. Some were still used in basic training centers in 1944. The last of the Cdn held sniper rifles with WS scopes were broken down that same year.
A lot of Rosses went to Britian during WW1, and many of these went to Eastern Europe after the War.
A Mk. III that I would love to get is one of the ones that went to the British, then to the White Russians, taken by the Bolsheviks, supplied to the Mac-Paps in Spain by Stalin, captured by the Fascists, and then sold surplus. A couple of hundred came to North America.
A lot of Rosses went to Britian during WW1, and many of these went to Eastern Europe after the War.
A Mk. III that I would love to get is one of the ones that went to the British, then to the White Russians, taken by the Bolsheviks, supplied to the Mac-Paps in Spain by Stalin, captured by the Fascists, and then sold surplus. A couple of hundred came to North America.
Winchester30-30
Regular
- Location
- Fraserwood, MB
ross rifles are a piece of art that everyone should cherish, i just got mine and couldnt be happier, oh BTW triaq i got my front sight flipped around, that block idea worked perfectly and it cot me nothing to build, there is a Ross Rifle Forum where you may get a few more "ross guys" but the forum is small, ive seen sporters go from 150-350 range all i can say is what everyone else has said make sure you pay close attention to the bolt disassembly and make sure it goes back together the same way, my MK2 is a different style of bolt, the one thing i learned is watch the bolt head to make sure its locking fully, i can see the head turn into the locks
Enjoy the rifle! there a great piece of canadian history!
Enjoy the rifle! there a great piece of canadian history!
It is possible that the forward part of the bolt can come out of the helix and be put back in the rifle so when the bolt is pushed closed the lugs do not twist and lock the bolt, they only sit in place. In that case the bolt head is against the bolt and is quite a bit shorter. If at all unsure you can take a light and shine it where the bolt head locks into the receiver. You should see the lugs twist into position in the receiver threads. I have not had the pinned bolt that supposedly cannot be assembled wrong, but there are other threads on the subject.
I have some better pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
has this barrel been cut?
It has the Letter E on the top.
No serial numbers anywhere but there is a BM on the bolt.
Tell me what I got? Please. I would like to find the right rear adjustable sight.
I think it has the heavy barrel and no barrel band.
has this barrel been cut?
It has the Letter E on the top.
No serial numbers anywhere but there is a BM on the bolt.
Tell me what I got? Please. I would like to find the right rear adjustable sight.
I think it has the heavy barrel and no barrel band.
"E" means that the rifle has the enlarged chamber.
The serial number would have been on the right side of the stock; disappeared when the stock was sanded.
Is the barrel about 2 1/2 feet long? If not, it has been cut.
You have a sported Mk. III service rifle.
Put an ad in the EE for a rear sight bridge complete with sight and screws for a Mk. III Ross rifle.
The serial number would have been on the right side of the stock; disappeared when the stock was sanded.
Is the barrel about 2 1/2 feet long? If not, it has been cut.
You have a sported Mk. III service rifle.
Put an ad in the EE for a rear sight bridge complete with sight and screws for a Mk. III Ross rifle.
Excellent advice and absolutely authoritative.
That is what it is.
The E mark is not seen on Commercial Sporting rifles; it is a Military marking.
FULL Length on the barrel when made was 30.5 inches.
Original Commercial Sporters used 94 Winchester rear sights, but NOT where this one has been placed.
Now you know what parts you need..... and how to advertise (free) to get them.
Personally, I would like to have a close look at this rifle for markings which might let us know a bit more of its history. The DCP with crossed flags and Crown was the Dominion of Canada Proof marking. It was applied at the Ross Rifle Company factory by Canadian Government Inspectors who inspected every rifle as it was made. The standards for the Proof Test were the same as for an English proof, but the Ross action was MUCH stronger than anything else being made. Get the right parts onto her and this one should be a Shooter!
Good luck!
That is what it is.
The E mark is not seen on Commercial Sporting rifles; it is a Military marking.
FULL Length on the barrel when made was 30.5 inches.
Original Commercial Sporters used 94 Winchester rear sights, but NOT where this one has been placed.
Now you know what parts you need..... and how to advertise (free) to get them.
Personally, I would like to have a close look at this rifle for markings which might let us know a bit more of its history. The DCP with crossed flags and Crown was the Dominion of Canada Proof marking. It was applied at the Ross Rifle Company factory by Canadian Government Inspectors who inspected every rifle as it was made. The standards for the Proof Test were the same as for an English proof, but the Ross action was MUCH stronger than anything else being made. Get the right parts onto her and this one should be a Shooter!
Good luck!
Winchester30-30
Regular
- Location
- Fraserwood, MB
check the EE most likely, sights are not easily found, or priced
