Ross Seyfried on hunting cartridges.

I got the point of his article, and it does make good sense, my comments were tongue in cheek. Actually the line I’ve been pushing for a while now is in agreement with those sentiments, in that the average guy is best with a modern, moderate capacity cartridge, between 6.5 and .30 caliber; Ross just thinks the quarter bores are the correct starting point rather than a 6.5.
 
Boomer said:
I got the point of his article, and it does make good sense, my comments were tongue in cheek. Actually the line I’ve been pushing for a while now is in agreement with those sentiments, in that the average guy is best with a modern, moderate capacity cartridge, between 6.5 and .30 caliber; Ross just thinks the quarter bores are the correct starting point rather than a 6.5.
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I hear you. I can deal with the .300/.338/.375 Magnums, but I really wonder what the "advantage" is for my average hunt. I really like the 7x57 and .250 Savage - they are hardly "high performance" by today's standards, but both will get the job done on just about everything. And they are both fun to shoot from the bench.
 
This is pretty much why I have been steering a friend who is new to hunting towards the 7-08 for his hunting needs. Meanwhile lots of others have been tellign him he NEEDS a .300 magnum of some sort. I just shake my head.
 
1899 said:
I hear you. I can deal with the .300/.338/.375 Magnums, but I really wonder what the "advantage" is for my average hunt. I really like the 7x57 and .250 Savage - they are hardly "high performance" by today's standards, but both will get the job done on just about everything. And they are both fun to shoot from the bench.
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I have a soft spot for the 7X57, and when it kicks out a 140 gr TSX at 2900, over normal hunting ranges it gives up little to the .300 magnum. The traditional 175 gr round nose load is pretty nice for bush work.
 
Boomer said:
I have a soft spot for the 7X57, and when it kicks out a 140 gr TSX at 2900, over normal hunting ranges it gives up little to the .300 magnum. The traditional 175 gr round nose load is pretty nice for bush work.
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I also like the idea (because I haven't actually done it yet) of the 175gr Partition for heavy game. The old 173gr RN soft-points did very well at ~2300 fps.With today's powders the 175 Partition should scoot along at 2450 - 2500 fps.

At 2450 you have a PBR of 250 yards. At 300 yards you are a mere 5.3" low and have plenty of velocity left (1988fps) for expansion and plenty of energy left (1536 ft-lbs) for taking even moose or elk.

Now here is the "kicker" - in a 7.5lb rifle you will have a mere 14.5 ft-lbs of recoil!
 
Boomer said:
I have a soft spot for the 7X57, and when it kicks out a 140 gr TSX at 2900, over normal hunting ranges it gives up little to the .300 magnum. The traditional 175 gr round nose load is pretty nice for bush work.
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Wouldn't that be pretty similar to a 140 grain TSX in a .270? Have to go to 160s in the .270 for the latter load though-?
 
philthygeezer said:
Wouldn't that be pretty similar to a 140 grain TSX in a .270? Have to go to 160s in the .270 for the latter load though-?
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The 7x57 works at 51,000 PSI vs 65,000 PSI for the .270 Winchester. I've owned both, and while there are no flies on the .270...I'd take the 7x57 because it is cooler!

I find the 7x57 gets it done with less powder and less recoil. I just looked at the Nosler #4 and the 175gr Partition will go over 2500 with less than 50gr of powder.

How about 40gr of IMR4320 (max) launching a 175 Partition at 2480fps? I would have NO problem hunting any elk or moose out to +300 yards with such a load (you've got 1900 fps out to past 375 yards). And, as I posted before, it does this with less than 15 ft-lbs of recoil in a 7.5lb rifle. That is very, very mild recoil - especially for a load that can easily take very big game at 300 yards.
 
Gatehouse said:
This is pretty much why I have been steering a friend who is new to hunting towards the 7-08 for his hunting needs. Meanwhile lots of others have been tellign him he NEEDS a .300 magnum of some sort. I just shake my head.
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100%....
hows this, i spent alot of time talking to people on these forums aswell as aus forums, including searchin alot of internet sites about info on 7-08 for a Cousin who was buyin his first rifle after just gettin into deer hunting over night.
I'd seen him use a 270 on varmints with little success and one day he comes home from the gun shop to tell me the guys behind the counter think he should get a 308 or 30-06... easily persuaded!
So i spend the next 3 weeks blowing wind up the 708s ass because I personally knew he would shoot a 7 better than a big 30 game getter...

Anywho he ended up with the 7... an loved it.... until he thought he needs a 325 WSM although he hasnt shot a deer with the 7.. :ninja:
 
philthygeezer said:
Wouldn't that be pretty similar to a 140 grain TSX in a .270? Have to go to 160s in the .270 for the latter load though-?
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The difference in diameter between the .270 and the 7mm doesn't account for much so, yes I agree with you. Check out the Woodleigh bullets on the Tradex site, I'm pretty sure they have a 180 gr .270, if I shot my .270 more than I do, I'd check them out. SD is .335, give or take!
 
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