Rossi 92 weak ejection

.223Rem

.223Rem

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Hello,
Not long ago I had the privilege of getting a Rossi 92 in .357 from a member here. The gun came with the 'works' from Steves guns so I was ready to take it down and give it some work. To my surprise the gun was extremely smooth when I got it. The only issue is ejection, it runs fine but seems to be really weak- it drops brass between my feet or they end up stuck on the brim of my hat. The last round stove pipes without fail because there isn't another round to help push it up.
Is there a fix to beef up the ejection? It's not a deal breaker and I love the gun but I'd like to fix this if I can.

Thanks.
 
223Rem: Have you taken out the bolt and checked whether the small collar that supports the ejector spring is still in place? That could be part of the problem. It's also possible that the replacement(reduced power) spring may have been reduced in length even further....which will make the cycling action very smooth. But at the cost of weaker ejection.

As a matter of interest: I replaced the factory ejector spring in my Rossi with a reduced power spring. Cycling is smoother.... but ejection still remains good. With none of the problems you've had....including last-round stove pipes. That's why I suspect there is more going on with your spring. I do get stove pipes occasionally....but not usually on the last round. Rossi rifles can run pretty fast. But the Model 92's design doesn't inherently favour high speed cycling.
The stovepipe caused when I short stroke the action by running it faster than it likes. Usually after I've been shooting my short-stroked competition rifles a lot and don't adjust for the longer lever stroke.

In the end you may be right.....re-install a factory spring.

Another thing you might also examine is the extractor hook. It may be worn, or over-polished. Or, the spring itself needs adjusting to allow the hook to grab the case rim with more authority. Which can also contribute to weak ejection. Also worth checking, too.

Al

PS: The rifle might just need a good strip & clean....as its possible powder residue, oil and the resulting gunk has just built up to the point where its interfering with the ejector's release.,
 
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Thanks for the advice Alex, I found a very similar sized spring in a box of misc parts/ steves gunz stuff that came with the gun. Same diameter as the ejector spring, but about .2 inches longer. Must be the original, anyways the thing was SO tight there was no way I could get the gun re-assembled with it. I should say that I have this thing apart a whole bunch of times. I know my way around it pretty good.
Well, wouldn't you know it- now is the time I lost the bloody ejector spring collar. It got caught inside the bolt and I fumbled the thing fishing it out. Now it's lost somewhere in the work shop and I'm sure I wont find it until the year 2047.

So my new question is this: Can any upstanding CGNer with a set of callipers or fine steel ruler measure the length of their collar for me?

I'm a machinist by trade so making a new one is no issue. I just don't know how long to make it. If someone can help me out, I'll make a bunch and gladly send them free of charge to anyone who needs one.
 
.223Rem: I've been down that road too! So just happen to have a spare ejector collar on hand. According to my caliper, the ejector collar is .170" long. OD: .242" ID:.148" (ID as near as I can determine).

Hope this helps: Al

ps: I measured the stock ejector spring. Close as I can tell, it measures: .785".
 
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Thanks again Alex, huge help. I'm going to make handful of these collars because I'm sure I wont be the last guy here to need one.
Of the 2 springs I have, the one in my gun (with weak ejection) measured the same as you said- .785" The other one I had is .970" It must be aftermarket for people who want there brass to land at their house so the don't have to bring it back from the range.

Before I lost the collar I did some testing. I found that empty brass (.38 spl) would stove pipe, but dummy .38 spl rounds, which were much longer because they had a projectile, ejected perfectly with an empty mag tube.
Makes me wonder if .357 brass would eject fine, I've only shot .38 through it so far.
I may make a longer collar to see if it increases ejection at all.
 
.223Rem: Yes......357 loads and ejects much more reliably, than .38 Special. The Rossi rifles seem optimized for a long cartridge. Optimum length being between about 1.580`to 1.590`....357 length. I did find though, that .38 Special was more reliable(though not 100%)...when I kept the cartridge OAL to at least 1.570". This, I was able to achieve with a 158 grain Keith-type semi-wadcutter bullet. OAL for this loaded cartridge was 1.575`

A longer ejector collar may help with the .38 Special feeding issues. Possibly since it may add a bit more compression to the ejector spring. Which should add more snap to case ejection. If so, I'd be interested to see how your experiment turns out. Feel free to pm me, with your results. Better yet....mention it on the forum. There are likely more Rossi owners who might like this info.

Hope this helps

Al
 
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