Rough Norinco?

[geologist]

At the end of the day that is all that matters.. My likes, your likes, his likes, aside, IF your happy with what you bought that's all that matters. If your not, hopefully you learned some thing.

X2!

 

[Trigun]

I visit seveal different gun site everyday, every brand name gun will have some people got a lemon and swear to dead not to buy their product again. For sure that Norinco may have more lemon than the other but think about Ruger 10-22 or Remington 597 also have the same lemon rate. I am not worry about lemons, infact Norinco has better aftersale backup here in Canada than some of other brand name gun. I am not a fan of their product I think they are not bad at all. Since when you have an importer of brand name gun stand out and said let me help you in Canada?
Just my 0.2 cents

Trigun

 

[Gundoggy]

Look at the Norc's the way the Americans do.

You're getting a really hard forged slide and frame. If you tweak it a bit it really performs nicely.

It's kind of like how Colt's were like in the 70's and 80's, you had to smith them to get them reliable and accurate. It's only since Kimber and Springfield in the 90's that we started to get nice reliable 1911's.

My experience with a Norinco 1911A1

1 good light trigger
2 reliable, no jams
3 crappy sights, I put on some Chip McCormick sights
4 parkerizing rubbed off
5 slide and frame were hard the the barrel started to peen on the 'feet' and hood
6 after a while the hammer would occasionally follow when dropping the slide...half #### notch prevented tragedy.

Would I buy one now? No. But if I were just starting out I would get Gunnar to tune it a perhaps put in some tougher small parts.

 

[ThePunisher]

Regardless what anyone says about this whole debate, I gotta say Marstar should at least be applauded for offering to go above and beyond.

FRANS;
Yes we are sold out of 1911s at this time, depending on what happens in the short term, we hope to get another major shipment out of China soon.

The earthquake has delayed matters, the Olympics will halt ALL shipments of arms in China.

Regardless we do have plenty of spares to service most of the Norinco products we sell, we do garanty everything we sell.

I'm surprised that the dealer you purchased from is not supporting you.

If you wish send me an e mail explaining everything john@marstar.ca
We simply hate to see somebody stranded....

If this is a factory defect we will still fix it free of charge, you pay the shipping.
Let me know
John

 

[polaris]

Hi,
I included a picture of my Norc 1911...
bought it four years ago from Marstar, never neede their Ironglad Warranty...
I handled and owned quite a few Handguns, this gun however is an exeptional value...
all what i did: installed Kingwood grips $18.00
smoothed and polished the sear and hammer $0.00
(did it myself, very easy)
This gun has a very nice finish, is very accurate and the trigger breaks very clean at 3 lbs...Since four years I never had the slightest malfunction!...
The frame to slide fit is tight and much better than on all the colt series 80 guns i saw so far...
Am I just lucky?....http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk98/polaris1908/NORC.jpg

Cheers

 

[MTM]

I must be lucky, just bought my third Norco 1911 this one another Commander. The first two fuctioned perfectly never a single problem. I sold them because I was just getting into autos and wanted a fancy Colt. Now I've owned a couple of Colts and still have a very nice Stainless series 80 thats got sights and a few other things done. The Colt is very nicely finished and very accurate and functions perfect. This new Commander is much better finished and so far has worked perfect right out of the box. Not saying they're the best, just stating my experience.

 

[Frans]

FRANS;
I'm surprised that the dealer you purchased from is not supporting you.

If you wish send me an e mail explaining everything john@marstar.ca
We simply hate to see somebody stranded....

If this is a factory defect we will still fix it free of charge, you pay the shipping.

That is a very generous offer, thank you. I've contacted the dealer, to see what he says. Also sent you a message, John.

Cheers,

Frans

 

[effinggoof]

I have a Armco tuned Norc with around 1500rds through it, which means it's barely broken in.

It's not a POS, but it's got extractor issues, and it seems to be fussy about ammo...unless I get lucky and can sort this out myself it's going to have to go in to a smith and cost me more.

Overall I guess I got my $500 worth but it's not a gun to trust my life to.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

FRANS;
Yes we are sold out of 1911s at this time, depending on what happens in the short term, we hope to get another major shipment out of China soon.

The earthquake has delayed matters, the Olympics will halt ALL shipments of arms in China.

Regardless we do have plenty of spares to service most of the Norinco products we sell, we do garanty everything we sell.

I'm surprised that the dealer you purchased from is not supporting you.

If you wish send me an e mail explaining everything john@marstar.ca
We simply hate to see somebody stranded....

If this is a factory defect we will still fix it free of charge, you pay the shipping.
Let me know
John

That's outstanding service.

 

[Frans]

An update....

The dealer suggested things might get smoother with use.

Over the weekend I ran some 300 rounds through the gun.

Six jams (both ejection and feeding induced) on some 200 rounds on Saturday and three more on 100 rounds today.

As I was shooting an IDPA classifier that was a trifle annoying.

As for accuracy, though I haven't done an "off the bench" assessment, I have no reason to complain. The trigger improved a lot from the trick of pulling the trigger a few times with some pressure on the hammer. That got rid of most of the creep. And the recoil spring is indeed a bit looser now. I can actually engage the slide release with a mag in when I use two thumbs.

I've asked the dealer again if he feels this (the jams) is acceptable.

(I guess I'm so touchy because I had a similar problem with what is considered a low-end big bore rifle (CZ550 in .416 Rigby). Spent half the rifle's cost on gunsmitting and the ejection problem still hasn't been solved. The solution suggested is to send the bolt (suspected to be the source of the problem) back to the Czech Republic.... not knowing how long it will take before I see anything back, or if the new bolt will be better.)

Frans

 

[skeetgunner]

The price of a firearm should not determine which firearm you purchase. Those who say "my budget won't allow for anything in the X dollar price range." What they're really saying is "I don't have the time or discipline to save my play money long enough to afford quality gear."

Using that twisted line of reasoning, I'd STILL be saving for my $80,000.00 4-barrel Kreighoff shotgun set, instead of shooting with my Rem 1187's and Browning 425's for the last 20 years.

While the concept of "you get what you pay for" is well understood, I suspect most people would rather get in the game and start shooting now, then spend the next year or two drooling over a picture of the latest BlastoFlexx 9000 from 1911 Industries.

 

[kokanee king]

I know this is an old post but I read it fully and just wanted to say my peace. Ive always wanted a Colt 1911A1 ever since I knew what the hell they were. Thank the Sgt Rock and GI Combat comics for this want...hehe. I have had my sights set on a few Springfield 1911A1's as well as a couple original 1911's from the war. I know that I will eventually end up getting an original 1911, but for now I have settled on a Norinco brand. Its cheapness has made me decide to go this route and I do know that I will get what I pay for.
With that said in my experience of all my hobbies im in, when you get something no matter if its used or brand new...you tear it apart. You understand it. You see what could be a potential breakage down the line and order replacements for it asap. I do that with my paintball markers as well as my gas powered radio control trucks. Down time is greatly reduced when your equipped for it.
Im not the best shooter in the world, nor do I care but I do enjoy shooting firearms in general. If my Norinco 1911 comes to me feeling gritty, whatever. I'll strip it down to its undies and clean all their ####ty gritty grease and put some "its my toy" love to it.
Besides if it fails to function properly its not going to be that big of a deal as I already know I got what I paid for and id never go to the range without back up handguns.

Again, im sorry for bringing this dusty ##### of a post up but im going to be a Norinco owner soon........

 

[TDC]

Using that twisted line of reasoning, I'd STILL be saving for my $80,000.00 4-barrel Kreighoff shotgun set, instead of shooting with my Rem 1187's and Browning 425's for the last 20 years.

While the concept of "you get what you pay for" is well understood, I suspect most people would rather get in the game and start shooting now, then spend the next year or two drooling over a picture of the latest BlastoFlexx 9000 from 1911 Industries.

Some common sense and a little logic comes into play. If saving for your $80,000 dollar shotgun would take you most of your lifetime then you need to reevaluate the cost vs reward. If you really wanted the shotgun, you would save your coin. On the logical side, saving that much coin is near impossible in a short period of time, so a cheaper alternative would serve best.

Getting into the shooting community drives a lot of folks to buy early. Unfortunately the cost of a quality pistol isn't much more than a piece of scrap metal offered by others. Saving $600-1000 dollars is far less of a challenge than saving for your Kreighoff. Most who end up with Norinco products aren't shooters anyway, they're dabblers. They shoot one, maybe two boxes of ammo every couple months if they're lucky.

TDC

 

[Colin]

When you are on a tight budget, $400 extra can be a lot, buy a Nork pistol got me back into shooting and now I have norks and much more expensive Sig Elites, I still enjoy shooting my Norks and my M93 just does not want to quit despite countless numbers of rounds.

 

[TDC]

Again, budget is a term to describe a specific dollar figure over a set period of time. Save some coin and buy quality, buy once.

TDC

 

[AaronG]

My nork 1911 has had one jam up in about 1000 rounds, it was someones re-load. other then that one, never had a problem.

 

[kokanee king]

Again, budget is a term to describe a specific dollar figure over a set period of time. Save some coin and buy quality, buy once.

TDC

So very true, but ive bought quality name brand stuff before and its never lasted. I have a Ruger P89 as well as a Taurus 24/7 pro. I WILL own a "quality" 1911A1 one day but for now I will have a "not so quality" Norinco 1911A1 in my possession soon enough. After I get it, i'll come back and tell you my findings. Sound fair?

 

[serbian]

i had to chime in with my 2c. my norc np29 was my first handgun. its never had a stoppage of ANY kind in i dont even know how many rounds fired...neither has my glock or my USP, but but the norc was 1/2 the glock and 1/3 the USP in cost. got it from marstar. love it.

 

[kokanee king]

Some common sense and a little logic comes into play. If saving for your $80,000 dollar shotgun would take you most of your lifetime then you need to reevaluate the cost vs reward. If you really wanted the shotgun, you would save your coin. On the logical side, saving that much coin is near impossible in a short period of time, so a cheaper alternative would serve best.

Getting into the shooting community drives a lot of folks to buy early. Unfortunately the cost of a quality pistol isn't much more than a piece of scrap metal offered by others. Saving $600-1000 dollars is far less of a challenge than saving for your Kreighoff. Most who end up with Norinco products aren't shooters anyway, they're dabblers. They shoot one, maybe two boxes of ammo every couple months if they're lucky.

TDC

I guess im NOT really a shooter myself, well excuse me if im JUST a dabbler but in order to shoot my firearms I need a JOB to buy ammo to shoot my lesser quality firearms. When i get my quality 1911A1, im gonna shoot it everyday just so I wont be called a dabbler anymore.

 

[Teapot]

I am happy to have my Norinco 1911A1. It is perhaps not as beutiful internally as other made offshore "american" pistols but is is surely better than not having a 1911A1 at all. I had some stoppages when I first got it but it was not with factory ammunition but rather with some out of spec reloads I bought from a friend.
We all shoot at the range, not in the OK Coral so a stoppage is not critical. Such brand name bashing or drooling is unseemly; just like teen-agers.