kokanee king
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Well said Teapot........and your right, we all shoot at the range anyway. Whether its the dabblers or the hardcore shooters.....we all shoot!!!! 
Rough Norinco?
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I just got an NP34 this week from Marstar.
Took it apart and cleaned it up and was surprised with how much less rough it was than some of my other Norks.
Tried chambering some primer/powder-less rounds I reloaded after I cleaned it and found that they didn't extract properly.
Taking it to the range tomorrow to give it a try and will let you know afterwards.
My Norc 1911 was really good when I got it except that some mags don't tend to engage the slide catch - but it turned out being a mag problem not a gun problem.
Took it apart and cleaned it up and was surprised with how much less rough it was than some of my other Norks.
Tried chambering some primer/powder-less rounds I reloaded after I cleaned it and found that they didn't extract properly.
Taking it to the range tomorrow to give it a try and will let you know afterwards.
My Norc 1911 was really good when I got it except that some mags don't tend to engage the slide catch - but it turned out being a mag problem not a gun problem.
I guess im NOT really a shooter myself, well excuse me if im JUST a dabbler but in order to shoot my firearms I need a JOB to buy ammo to shoot my lesser quality firearms. When i get my quality 1911A1, im gonna shoot it everyday just so I wont be called a dabbler anymore.
There's nothing wrong with dabbling. The fact remains that those who cannot afford to shoot on a regular basis due to finances or time will not appreciate the difference in a quality pistol. Firing a limited number of rounds from a fixed firing line under ideal conditions is hardly an accurate barometer when discussing the quality of a firearm.
Ones intended purpose makes a great deal of difference when comparing high dollar to low dollar equipment. For the plinker as mentioned above, it probably won't make a difference. For others who compete heavily or rest their lives on their firearms, the difference in quality is vast and the cost more than acceptable.
For every post I see about how "my Norc hasn't had a problem in X number of rounds" I see an equal number of posts or threads discussing problems and/or remedies for Norinco products. I have yet to see thread where those who own quality made firearms need to brag that their guns work. Because when you buy quality, you know its going to work. Not three posts above this one is a post regarding poor Norinco magazines. The post above mine discusses a Norinco that is NEW that is having issues extracting. I've seen many threads on replacing Norinco parts with USGI parts. If the Norinco is such a quality piece why change out the parts? Why so many threads regarding problems? To each their own.
On a side note, Taurus and Ruger are not exactly quality firearms.
TDC
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Well there you have it. Im one of many who obviously has ####ty pistols in my possession. BooHoo on me. Then again, im justa lowly plinker who enjoys blasting targets at the range. If i was like you TDC, im sure mu cabinet would be full of all the "GOOD QUALITY" pistols on the market. I buy what I can afford.
On a side note......im going to trade in all my ####ty quality pistols for some good quality ones...........NOT!!
To each his own exactly......fair enough that there are peeps with Norinco issues. Ive read many myself, but before i judge a "book" by its cover im going to see one first hand.
On a side note......im going to trade in all my ####ty quality pistols for some good quality ones...........NOT!!
To each his own exactly......fair enough that there are peeps with Norinco issues. Ive read many myself, but before i judge a "book" by its cover im going to see one first hand.
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kokanee king
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If these arent "quality" handguns, why are they still in business? If companies dont produce quality things, people wouldnt buy them. If people dont buy them they go out of business. What you call crap others beg to differ.
I love my Ruger and my Taurus as im sure you love your Glock or whatever your shooting......TO EACH HIS OWN.
You're the one that took offense to my post, I never implied anything. In fact, I already mentioned that plinking is something only some can afford to do based on finances or time, and good on them.
Low quality goods is the down fall to our greedy society. Walmart is the king of low dollar crap. Ever noticed how many dollar stores there are? The link below is of a Raven pistol. Extremely poor quality yet they still sell enough to remain in business. There's always going to be those who aren't willing to purchase high quality and/or high dollar goods. It is these people that support the lesser quality offerings.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/97699402...?ShowRegister=1&ShowRegister=1&ShowRegister=1
TDC
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It takes time for some to realize that what they believe is quality is in fact pure sh*t. The Norinco crowd knows no limits when it comes to chest beating how great their low dollar pistol/rifle/shotgun is. On the flip side many continue to complain about poor craftsmanship, non compatible aftermarket parts or non functioning guns. Some don't mind a few problems, and I don't care either way. What tends to rub me the wrong way is the constant "belief" that the inferior products(if you can call them that) offered by Norinco are "just as good" as the brand name makes and models. The simple truth is that even Norinco owners know their guns are junk. Hence the reason they proudly claim X number of rounds without failure, or X size of group. Those who bought a brand name pistol feel little need to brag. Digesting large quantities of ammo without failure is expected and is demonstrated on a frequent and predictable basis.
I have yet to hear any valid arguments against purchasing a higher cost and higher quality firearm. As I pointed out earlier, a low dollar firearm for the firearms enthusiast who cannot make it to the range as often as they would like is an economical choice. Proclaiming that ones limited round count(and limited experience) through a lesser quality firearm is somehow equivalent to a quality make/model is straight ignorance based on a very limited and biased data base.
At the end of the day here's where the topic sits. Norinco products are cheap choices for those who plink or do not wish to invest significant money into shooting. Personally, I could care less what people shoot, it has zero effect on my life. However, you do get what you paid for. In the case of Norinco guns, its not much. So don't expect much. The constant whining that comes from many Norinco owners gets old fast. When someone recommends a quality gun as an option they're labeled a brand name whore or gun snob. When someone expresses displeasure with a Norinco product there is a flood of "my gun works flawlessly" or "I haven't had any problems" posts as an attempt to dilute the reality that Norinco products have a much higher failure rate when compared to brand name guns.
If you're serious about shooting or want to get more involved. Do yourself a favor. Buy quality and buy once. Otherwise, shut up. No one wants to listen to you cry wolf about your non functioning pistol after you've been advised against it.
The numbers speak for themselves. I have yet to see anyone with a Norinco product compete without having a major failure. I don't see any LE agency running Norinco, or military(the Chinese from what I understand have a separate line for their issue firearms). I haven't even heard of any competitor on a major circuit running a Norinco. This begs the question. If Norinco is really as good as the brand name guns, why is no one using them???
TDC
TDC wrote "The simple truth is that even Norinco owners know their guns are junk. Hence the reason they proudly claim X number of rounds without failure, or X size of group. Those who bought a brand name pistol feel little need to brag. Digesting large quantities of ammo without failure is expected and is demonstrated on a frequent and predictable basis."
I'd like to read what you consider to be a brand name pistol and I'm not talking custom jobs. I don't claim to be an expert but I've had more than a few along with Norc's and think you protest too much. I'd particularly like to know what you consider to be digesting large quantities of ammo consists of?
I'm torn sometimes as to weather we should buy Chinese but the best case to be made for *affordable* products is that it helps introduce people to something they might otherwise pass on. The prime example is Lee reloading gear. "Gun snobs" piss on Lee all the time but that company has probabaly done more to introduce people to the shooting sports than many others because they made it attractively affordable for those who were on the edge.
Products like that have a place and a role to serve.
I'd like to read what you consider to be a brand name pistol and I'm not talking custom jobs. I don't claim to be an expert but I've had more than a few along with Norc's and think you protest too much. I'd particularly like to know what you consider to be digesting large quantities of ammo consists of?
I'm torn sometimes as to weather we should buy Chinese but the best case to be made for *affordable* products is that it helps introduce people to something they might otherwise pass on. The prime example is Lee reloading gear. "Gun snobs" piss on Lee all the time but that company has probabaly done more to introduce people to the shooting sports than many others because they made it attractively affordable for those who were on the edge.
Products like that have a place and a role to serve.
I guess you've never been to the Philippines,where a very large and very active police force, which is currently involved in fighting a terrorist insurgency uses Norinco 1911's. The Philippine National Police issues them (hence the 'Police Model") instead of the locally produced Armscor. The PNP is currently about 3 times the size of the RCMP. As far as 'major competitors/major circuit' goes, there is really only one major circuit - the US, and Norinco pistols are banned there. Think that might have something to do with it?
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You might have added Norincos have almost a cult following in the US. Wilson Combat listed them as a make they would do work on.
The only reaspn I have a name brand single stack 1911 is that I can't take my customized Norinco in to the US for competitions.
Unlike my name brand my Norinco hasn't given me an ounce of trouble.
Take care
Bob
You might have added Norincos have almost a cult following in the US. Wilson Combat listed them as a make they would do work on.
The only reaspn I have a name brand single stack 1911 is that I can't take my customized Norinco in to the US for competitions.
Unlike my name brand my Norinco hasn't given me an ounce of trouble.
Take care
Bob
Gunnar says:
"We still have a few of the new IMPROVED and ARMCO-TUNED Norinco 1911A1's (with two mags and an ARMCO one year warranty) for $429..."
http://www.armco-guns.com/
"We still have a few of the new IMPROVED and ARMCO-TUNED Norinco 1911A1's (with two mags and an ARMCO one year warranty) for $429..."
http://www.armco-guns.com/
kokanee king
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Why are Norinco's banned in the US? Is it cause the USA hates competition? Pardon my ignorance if im asking an obviously silly question here.....lol
Embargo against Chinese produced firearms.
There's a lot of Yanks that would love to get their hands on Norinco 1911's, expecially at the cost we can get them here.
During the first Bush administration one of the 'get tough with China' initiatives was to ban access to the largest firearms market in the world.
