Ruffed Grouse Hunting

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Hey.

Still semi-new to the hunting scene. I've been hunting back home with my dad, but now that I'm on my own, I've tried going for ruffed grouse. I've already done all the licensing (PAL and Outdoors Card + Small game license). Right now I'm in Central Ontario, hunting a small strip of Crown land that apparently a lot of people hunt on (due to the fact that there isn't a lot of Crown land anywhere near here), using a 20 GA with 2 3/4" shells with 7 1/2 shot.

Due to the fact that there are a lot of hunters in the area, anything with two/four feet and a heart beat flushes at the first sign of anything. I've flushed 8 grouse already, and never once have I had a chance at getting a shot off. What suggestions do you guys have so I can have a successful hunt?
 
Start pretending you're deer hunting and stalk the areas instead of walking them. Or find an area with feed in it and sit and wait for them to come to you. I shot may a grouse on the Island by sitting under an apple tree for the last half hour of legal light.
 
I've flushed 8 grouse already, and never once have I had a chance at getting a shot off. What suggestions do you guys have so I can have a successful hunt?

Taking a ruffie on the wing is one of huntings biggest challenges. You have usually max. 2 seconds to swing/point/shoot.

It takes practice and determination, and mostly, it takes foresight. You have to know it's going to happen before it happens. Unless a seasoned wingshooter, most guys are not expecting it and get startled when they take off. Which immediatley quashes the chance of getting the bird.

Pattern your gun. Practice practice practice your swing. Shoot skeet. All these will help with wingshooting.

The sneak approach....walk quietly through grouse terrain like you're stalking a deer. Super quiet mode. Stop very very frequently and look around...and wait....and look around. Alot of times, they'll just hunker down and watch you walk by. But be ready if they jump! Listen carefully, as you can hear them scratching about.

Listen for thumpers in the woods. And then follow that sound quietly until you get there. Usually there's more than one together.

Lastly...drive up north...North Bay should do. Hit the logging roads, and drive around. They'll stand right on the road! Jump out...grab dinner.

Hope this helps. Good luck.
 
44fordy, I know what you mean about the logging roads. I'm originally from Sault Ste. Marie, and that what we'd do back home. Take the 4wheelers to some foot paths, walk around them for a while, then get back to the machines, and carry on down.

As for the patterning, I'm going on Oct 27th to the local shooting club, as they're having a Hunter sight in.

You have to know it's going to happen before it happens. Unless a seasoned wingshooter, most guys are not expecting it and get startled when they take off. Which immediatley quashes the chance of getting the bird.

That's exactly what has been happening. I'm walking along, I think I hear them, get close to where they are, then as I'm starting to approach near, they take to wing. I'm startled, and POOF they're gone.

What should I be looking for way up the trail that would indicate ruffed grouse? I was told to look for spruce trees. I'm also trying to figure out what they eat. I flushed two grouse, then maybe another minute up the trail, there were branches with what looked like wild blueberries around head height. From this, I put 2 and 2 together, so I figure next time I go, there will be more around to try and bag.

Does anyone know what the routine of grouse are? It was 06h20ish, and I have seen the same two grouse hanging out on some rocks during first light. For how long would they be around there, what times do they eat at, etc...?

Thanks for all the help guys!!
 
What should I be looking for way up the trail that would indicate ruffed grouse? I was told to look for spruce trees. I'm also trying to figure out what they eat. I flushed two grouse, then maybe another minute up the trail, there were branches with what looked like wild blueberries around head height. From this, I put 2 and 2 together, so I figure next time I go, there will be more around to try and bag.

Good question as far as what they eat. They seem to like eating small pebbles on logging trails!:p
For habitat, I've had great luck on fencelines lined with hardwoods. Also in hardwood bush with good cover. I usually hunt them in the afternoons mostly, but I've heard great things about later in the day hunting. If you get a rainy morning, and then the sun comes out at noon, head out...I've found good luck with this. I've searched amongst spruce, but haven't seen much, except in the evening, they will roost in the tops of evergreens.

My preferred hunt is fencelines in the afternoon/late afternoon (after rain in the morning), but with lots of dry leaves on the ground, and barely any in the trees/bushes. NO WIND....that way you can hear them scootch about....

I've been out a couple times so far, but there's still waaaaayyy too much foliage to see anything.
 
What you've discovered is the reason why ruffed grouse hunters fall in love with hunting ruffed grouse. Any fool can blast a grouse on the road or trail when you see the bird first. But it takes practise, nerves, fast reactions and spatial awareness to score a hit on a bird flying through branches, after a startling flush sending the bird who-knows-where. This is the addiction. This is where the passion comes from. This is like Crack for bird hunters.

Your gun is a good choice so far; make sure you are using something like an Open Cylinder, Skeet, or Improved for choke if this will be your grouse gun. #7-1/2 is a good choice in a std 20 gauge target load. You also need to practise practise practise your ability to mount the gun and swing all at the same time. Mount & then swing is often not fast enough - that gun has to be on the bird and your shoulder as you pull the trigger.

Best hunting is the couple of hours after sunrise, and the few before sunset. Now that the leaves are down is a good time to head out. Look for trails, openings in the woods, small clearings, and search them slowly and thoroughly. I'm right handed, so I walk with the clearing on my right; if it flushes in the bush then the barrel is pointed the right way. If it flushes into the open then I have more time to swing around and shoot.

If you've missed the initial flush, hold steady as there may be another bird in the same spot. Always follow the flush; the birds don't fly far. They'll fly away, but then curve and take off walking at right angles to their initial flight path to help throw you off the trail. Walk after them quietly, stopping and listening every so often to listen for feet on leaves, or watch for motion. Keep this up; one of my most memorable shots was flushing the same bird 3 times, and he made a mistake on that last flush. Into the bag he went.

Good luck, and keep up the footwork!
 
The grouse that are around where I hunt are usually in spruce thickets or in a mix of soft and hardwoods. My fathers land is old farm land that had been cleared years ago but probly hasnt been touched since the sixties. Old fields are growing up with a mix of different types of trees. There is also a few old apple tress scattered around and they hang around those too.

As for what they eat every one that I have cleaned has been eating mostly dark green leaves off of small alders and little peices of apple. So if you could find an abandoned farm or get permission to hunt in that type of area you may also have some luck.

As for shooting them I have only ever had the oppurtunity to shoot one while flying once. Every other time they startle me and get away by the time I can shoot. It may not be as sporting but I usually follow which way they fly and then sometimes I find them up in a tree or sneaking around under a thicket, and then I get them from there. Sometimes they flush a few times before I get them.
 
If there is alot of hunting/ATV taffic in your hunting area - do not follow that beaten path for the sake of less effort/easier walking. They've survived for 1000's of years by adapting to stupid human/predator tricks (re: predictable manuevers). Cross those birds up - sneak in their backdoor - even if it means(and usually does) a branch in your eye or a few bramble scratches.

As my granddad use to say "boy! their either down in the alders or up in the acorns".

Learn their preferred habitat, their food source de jour, and habits with respect to weather. Then develope a game plan a,b, & c so that if things aren't too productive in one area - then you can quickly move on & change tactics.
 
It is crack. Feathered, adrenaline smothered, primer popping crack :D In a heavily hunted area like that, I would sit and wait for the birds to give themself away, listen for peeps, coos and brush moving. Then try to make a stalk
 
Thanks everyone for replying!! Lots of helpful info if you just ask!

I am looking at going this weekend, either on Friday morning from 06h00 until 10h00 or Sat, at the same time. (Maybe both, who knows!:runaway:)

I'll have to give you guys an update on how I do.
 
"...never once have I had a chance at getting a shot off..." Especially when there's two rocketing off from under your foot in two directions. I'm sure I heard them laughing too.
 
Thanks everyone for replying!! Lots of helpful info if you just ask!

I am looking at going this weekend, either on Friday morning from 06h00 until 10h00 or Sat, at the same time. (Maybe both, who knows!:runaway:)

I'll have to give you guys an update on how I do.

If you're in an area where they roost, stay until dark, and you'll get them as they move into the trees right before full light. Bring a flashlight or headlamp though, they're hard to find in semi-darkness! Good luck, post pics!
 
Ahhhh, the quest for the holy grail....er, grouse. Truly, wingshooting grouse is an art, a science, and an addiction.

I took last week off from work and spent the whole week in the field. Came home with 15 ruffies, but only 1 sharptail. Most of the ruffies were wing shot (some extreeemely satisfying shots last week!!).

Without writing a book, I'll offer the following tips:

- don't be afraid to use 6-shot during early season when the leaves are on the trees
- watch for them on the ground feeding among the poplar (or aspen, or whatever deciduous trees are common to your area - often within a short flight of spruce, but not always). Not that you'll SEE them there, but be ready.
- the sneaking technique that others have mentioned works mostly because the birds think you know where they are and they panic and flush. Of the ruffies I get, I have no idea where the vast majority of them are until they flush. For this reason, 2 hunters walking parallel about 50 yards apart works well. The birds tend to think you know where they are and that you're trying to out flank them (like 'yotes would).
- when one flushes, even if you can't see it through the trees, listen for the direction it flies in. Ruffed grouse will fly only around 100 yards before landing on the ground or in a tree. Their instinct is to turn left or right near the end of the flight. Usually, if you go straight in the way they flew, you'll bump them again. This time, be ready.
- PROVIDED YOU ARE SHOOTING IN THE AIR, shoot at the sound of the flush. If you're shooting upwards, there is very little danger you'll hit anything other than a bird or the top of a tree. Use common sense with this advice - don't do this when in groups, shooting towards hills, etc. But, by taking the shot, even if you're way behind the bird, you'll learn to get quicker. You'll even hit the odd one as much by luck as anything. Don't aim, whatever you do. This is not a rifle. Just point and shoot - fast as you can.
- if you go to the clays range to practice, call for the bird with your gun in carry position (not pre-mounted). Mount, acquire the target, and fire - all in one motion. Try standing facing 90 degrees left or right to simulate flushes from awkward positions in the field. (Again - check club rules. In general, but especially on busy days, most ranges don't like any positions other than facing down range.)
- practice keeping your mind on listening for those first 2 or 3 low frequency wing beat sounds. Those first couple of flaps of the wings are your best chance of visually locating the bird before it's too late. Keep your hand comfortably wrapped around the wrist of the gun and your trigger finger on the trigger guard. Your other hand doesn't necessarily even have to be on the gun, but you don't want to be groping for the trigger as you bring the gun up from various carry positions.

The only thing that is certain about grouse hunting is that, with grouse, nothing is certain. Last week, I bagged a few ruffies while hunting ideal sharptail habitat. Sometimes you'll see them just sitting in a tree or standing on a road (they think their camo is foolproof). If you hunt the same patch of bush for years, as we have, you'll see that the dumb ones get weeded out quickly. You'll also see that hunting pressures have almost zero effect on population cycles (we got good numbers last year and this year they're more numerous than we've ever seen before).

The best way to get lots of chances is to do lots of walking. Period.
 
Well, this is a first for me.....I went out grouse hunting on the weekend....heard a few thunder off, and then....I've done what I've NEVER done before....

Flushed a woodcock in heavy cover and took him on the wing!

SWEEET!!

Made for a pretty small meal however!
 
Hey.

Still semi-new to the hunting scene. I've been hunting back home with my dad, but now that I'm on my own, I've tried going for ruffed grouse. I've already done all the licensing (PAL and Outdoors Card + Small game license). Right now I'm in Central Ontario, hunting a small strip of Crown land that apparently a lot of people hunt on (due to the fact that there isn't a lot of Crown land anywhere near here), using a 20 GA with 2 3/4" shells with 7 1/2 shot.

Due to the fact that there are a lot of hunters in the area, anything with two/four feet and a heart beat flushes at the first sign of anything. I've flushed 8 grouse already, and never once have I had a chance at getting a shot off. What suggestions do you guys have so I can have a successful hunt?

Might I ask where you are hunting? The reason I'm curious is that depending on where you're located in "Central Ontario," you might be closer to alot more Crown Land than you think. A recent search of mine came up with about
30 000 acres of Conservation Reserve Land between Orillia and Gravenhurst, plus a couple thousand more acres of Crown Land. I usually used to hunt grouse in smaller, privately owned woodlots in that area that aren't posted (it helps that the family had a cottage around there years ago, so I know where I can go), and while the grouse there have definitely acquired an aversion to hunters, going just a bit further afield might increase your odds significantly.

Further South there's still a decent number of woodlots belonging to Simcoe County Forests, the Copeland Forest, and a further patchwork of crown land and county forests West of Toronto, though the ones in the jurisdiction of the GRVCA (Grand River Valley Conservation Authority) require an annual permit to access. I'm not sure if it's come into effect yet, but hunting Simcoe County forests will require OFAH membership. Even the more remote corners of Luther Marsh are probably relatively untapped as the local skybusting community lines the shoreline.

Back to techniques though, I can only add a few points to what's already been said. If in shield country (the areas mentioned in my first paragraph), the strips of rocky ridges found there often provide a variety of edge cover along the sides, as well as the possibility at times for the grouse to warm themselves on the rocks. Such locations give the advantage of a quieter approach and freedom of movement should something flush, but you should still move slowly with frequent pauses if you want to get close. If you are familiar with the layout of the land, you could also with one or two partners push grouse through the thicker cover to rocky opening where they'll feel compelled to flush once the cover ends.

In terms of food and cover, I find that grouse like to hang around sumac, that often grows beneath powerlines and in right of ways. I've also found their stomachs filled with small greens that they've nipped from beneath evergreen trees, which also gives them much cover. So look for where there's a change in the usual pine needles that cover the forest floor, or any other change that offers cover and a potential food source. A small strip of high grass along a creek or river could also anchor grouse in an otherwise barren mature forest habitat, and a grouse in such a position will try to hold tight until forced to fly, usually after you've slowly zigzaged through the cover from one end to the other. The benefit of such a tactic is that you might also be able to anticipate where the bird will be forced to fly. Mornings and evenings are best, earlier along places where the birds may pick up grit and later especially around potential roosting areas. Unless unbearably hot however, don't dismiss mid-day hunting which can also produce its share of flushes.

To be honest, while I've downed a woodcock on the fly after several flushes, all of my five or six grouse have been either shot running or taken out of a tree, usually with a shotgun and once with a .22. While some of my hunting partners have been a bit luckier with birds on the fly, even those downings tended to occur where the bird was flushed into an opening where a proper swinging shot could be made. Even where we can get the birds to flush in range and with the proper chokes, the chances of a hit remain low.

For when those rare moments do come however, I do think that busting a couple of boxes of shells on clay pigeons, even if only thrown from a hand trap, might do much to increase your chances of connecting. If the option presents itself on that sight in daythat you mentioned, you might find that you won't consistently hit anything for the first box or two, but even in that case will usally be hitting consistently by the end of the third. It's worth the expense, since with the leaves off of the trees by that point, you might still find another several weeks of good hunting before the season closes. And don't forget, that the first light snow often leaves the grouse and rabbits particularly vulnerable to being seen by a stalking hunter.

Best of Luck,

Frank
 
I'm located in Kingston. The map I have of the area has few areas of Crown Land. On a side note to Kingston, does anyone know if there is a database of some sorts, where people can sign up who hunt, and make it possible to meet other hunters in the area. Being the only one of my friends with a Hunting License makes for long days. I do enjoy solo hunting, but I want to do some group hunting as well. Learn some things, and be able to get away from always being alone. There's a hunting community, it's just finding it for me that is proving difficult.
 
I suggest that you start a new thread seeking local hunters. I met up with someone who posted such an add in this forum about 2-3 weeks ago and had an enjoyable afternoon of grouse hunting with him. After I put in a similar post I recieved three replies. I've already spoken to two of the respondents and expect to hunt with them in the next couple of weeks and still have to get back to the third person.

Just explain your hunting experience, the equipment that you currently have and the types of hunting that you are interested in exploring further. I'm sure that there must be some other hunters in your area seeking the same. Just make sure that you talk to them beforehand to get a sense of whether you'd feel comfortable with their attention to safety, hunter ethics etc.

On a further note, if you live around Kingston, there's the Brighton Wildlife Management Area just north of the 401 around the town of Brighton. I've gone there in the past to make use of the shooting area there, but also saw plenty of rabbits there once when we drove through the areas roads in the late afternoon. There's also some decent waterfowl hunting a Presqu'ille provincial park, with a few blinds in the sheltered part of the park being great candidates for a pair of hunters with a canoe and handfull of decoys. As well, you might want to look into hunting at Gananoque WMU further west down the 401, perhaps East of Kingston itself, though I've only read about it.

Good Luck,

Frank
 
Spazmo,

Shoot Robinhood a PM. I beleive that is the person Beadwindow is talking about. I think he's looking to meet up with people around his area to hunt "he's from Toronto I believe" and I am sure something can be worked out there.

Good luck in finding some spots!
 
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