Ruger 10/22 or AR-15

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OK...I am not trying to stir up #### here.

In all seriousness, I was down at the mall(we only have one) and was having a discussion with a friend about different gun types, and he literally opposed the utility of the AR15 and preferred to own a 10/22.

Now normally I could care less, and I generally let people decide whatever they want to own...as it has no impact on me whatsoever.

But when he started to compare the two guns I started to get annoyed. I told him that they weren't even in the same league...that they weren't even related.

But he did make a couple of interesting points which I thought deserved some merit.

The 10/22 while only chambered for 22LR, still has moderately lethal potential for home defense.

The 22LR isn't going to over penetrate and punch through 2x4's and enter neighbour's houses in the event of a stray home defense round

One can get 25rd lightweight plastic mags for it

The gun is very lightwieght itself

It has almost no recoil impulse

Is still quite accurate out to 100 yards.

It is very moddable.

It is non-restricted

Now of course...regardless of all the good points he made, I still pointed out that if the 22LR was such a benefit then the military wouldnt be using a higher powered cartridge.

He still wouldnt budge though :rolleyes: In fact I would wager that his position would become even further unretractable if he had ever seen one of those Krinker Plinker mods.

Has anyone else come across these types...you know the kind...the ones that swear by the lower powered "pipsqueak rounds"(Thanks to Paul Rogan for this term)?
 
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One thing I know is that the .22lr will kill someone if it hits a vital organ. It is a favorite for suicides around here.
I wouldn't want to depend on it when faced with a committed attacker though.

Still, better a .22lr than nothing.
 
I have both :)

The .22lr is accurate, but the drop from the bench to 100m is pretty significant - I also don't know what kind of energy its dumping at that distance (I imagine not much).

However, I think his point was that ten ~ twenty .22lrs dumped into anybody at room length is going to be messy.

I remember reading one of those "Survival-MadMax-WWIII" websites and the author stated that the 10/22 might be the ultimate survival rifle because in "that" world you can carry thousands of rounds around with you... and getting hit with one, although it might not be instant, will eventually get you due to their not being hospitals to deal with infections, etc. Some more food for thought.

But yeah, did I say I own both ? :D
Great fun either way.
 
i've given it some thought and i'd go with the 10/22 for a few reasons. the main one would be , if you did have to fire you could tell the cops/court your intention was to stop an intruder not kill him. a little pre-thought could save your skin


as for my fave? if i could take an AR in the bush with no mag rest., it'd be the AR.
in the current state, they both have positive points and i guess i still lean towards the AR slightly
 
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If the .22LR was reliable enough to fire every time then it would be a fine cartridge. Unfortunately, one out of fifty or so do not go bang and one can never know which individual cartridge it will be; at least this is my eleven year old's experience using American Eagle in his P-22.
 
I don’t know how much I’d like to wager my survival on a .22LR, but I have heard a story of a lady in the States who effectively used it for self defense.

Apparently, she had separated from her abusive husband and he swore revenge. She bought a semi-automatic .22LR pistol (Ruger, Browning?) and took instruction as to its use. If I remember correctly, she was even shooting bullseye competitively with it.

Then one day her ex-husband broke into her home to finish what he had sworn to do, grabbing her loaded pistol she emptied a 10 round magazine of .22LR into his face at point blank range. Apparently it scrambled his brain and stopped the attack cold.

Food for thought…
 
There is a certain ammount of merit to using a .22LR. Almost zero recoil, 25rnds at across the room rapid into a chest or head would stop someone. But reliability from a .22LR is questionable, why else do they chamber small guns for .25auto, reliability.

Ross Seyfried did a test in Africa, they shot 10rounds at a buff's head with a semi .22Mag, buff just stood there looking pissed off, at which point they dropped it with a real gun.

.22LR can be done for defense, but can it be done reliably?
 
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it epends on whatyou want to do..

If we are tlkign home defense,it differs for every situation.

Here in rural BC, I'd take the .223, since most home defense is via predators....:)
 
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http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r151/clobbersauras/?action=view&current=RequiemForAFryingPan.flv

Seriously though what rifle (that the majority of people can legally own in Canada) can be fired that fast with that degree of controlability? I hit the pan 17 times out of 21 (my buddy only loaded the mag with 21 rounds) at 25 yards...If I had to grab just one gun and get out of dodge the 10/22 would be it. If I could grab 2 the 10/22 and Norinco-93.
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Ha ha! :D

Great vid!
 
Let me stir the pot here a bit...

I submit that the 10/22 is no AR-15....but then, and AR-15 can become a reasonable .22

You can buy a Ceiner .22 conversion and drop it into your AR-15 in about 6 seconds flat. Then you drop in your (LEGAL) 30 round steel .22 magazine, and you're banging away.....and when you're presented with a target requiring full-bore interference, then change back. Takes about 6 seconds and a mag-change. Your zero will likely be different (mine is) but if you know the offset, it's quick to change the sights too (depending on your optic).

Food for though.

(BTW, I own a 10/22 and several AR's.)

NavyShooter
 
NavyShooter said:
Let me stir the pot here a bit...

I submit that the 10/22 is no AR-15....but then, and AR-15 can become a reasonable .22

You can buy a Ceiner .22 conversion and drop it into your AR-15 in about 6 seconds flat. Then you drop in your (LEGAL) 30 round steel .22 magazine, and you're banging away.....and when you're presented with a target requiring full-bore interference, then change back. Takes about 6 seconds and a mag-change. Your zero will likely be different (mine is) but if you know the offset, it's quick to change the sights too (depending on your optic).

Food for though.

(BTW, I own a 10/22 and several AR's.)

NavyShooter
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Wouldn't the AR still be restricted, even with the conversion kit? So it's still only a range gun. What's the point of a .22 if you can't blast critters?
 
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Ross Seyfried did a test in Africa, they shot 10rounds at a buff's head with a semi .22Mag, buff just stood there looking pissed off, at which point they dropped it with a real gun.

.22LR can be done for defense, but can it be done reliably?
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Found this article a while back: http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/israeli_sniper.htm

Seems the Israeli Defence Forces adopted the (suppressed, scoped) 10/22 as a less-than-lethal riot control weapon, intended to neutralize the leaders of the riot without martyrizing them.

Seems that it was rather ineffective in this role, in that way too many rabbleraisers found out for sure whether that 72 virgins thing was true or not.

It may not be very effective on Cape Buffalo, but on humans the 10/22 was far too lethal to be considered less-than-lethal :).

Anecdotally, the Chechens were using suppressed .22LRs on Russian officers to great effect during the war in Chechnya; they'd rig coke-bottle suppressors and aim for the head.

For home defence, I'd grab my bunny gun (an 870 Marine Magnum) first, but at indoor ranges I could probably seriously mess somebody up with my 10/22 too.
 
Buddies uncle got an accidental 22lr round...regular velocity. Evidently what it did because it wouldnt penetrate enough...was bounce off a couple bones/ribs essentially stir frying his innards. Sad story really, but 22lr is quite lethal to unarmoured humans. Now if were talking STOPPING power, it may be a different story, but KILLING power is more than adequate, just might take a little while.

Load up on .22 velocitors or similar and i assure you the .22lr is more than adequate for a short range defence item. Especially considering the legality of 25 round mags and miniscule recoil. NOw thats something the antis would not like to know.

I also have seen stories of the israelis and their suppressed .22lr 10/22's and their ineffectiveness to leave targets................alive.
 
My lil' Krinker Plinker is no joke. 8x25rd mags is alotta lead to chuck around...Luck for me I have 911 on speed dial so I don't need to think about that kinda stuff.
 
At least with to 22 you won't have to worry about the round passing throught 2 walls and hitting your neighbours kid.
 
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