Ruger 10/22 vs Savage Mark II

I have both and have shot them extensively. You will get both eventually but start with the Mk.II

They're both excellent, but they fit different roles. The Mk.II can shoot 1-2 inch groups all day long at 100 yards depending on the ammo. It has a slick bolt, but it's long and the magazine wiggles. The trigger is above average and the stock has sling studs unlike the ruger.

The 10/22 is usually very reliable, it makes good groups up to 75 yards but seems to crap out after that. It's less sensitive to ammo, but can still not like certain brands (remington). The nice part is that you can rock a 25 round mag and go to town on a can of soup, but you'll pay more for ammo this way.

If you don't plan on scoping your mk.II just get the 10/22, but don't scope the 10/22 unless it's a 2-7 or red dot. Try to get one of the 10/22's that arrived in Canada lately with the fire sights on them, the factory Lyman sights aren't the best.
 
ruffbird said:
I can certainly speak for the savage. The acu-trigger is wonderful to help with a lighter trigger pull. The fire sights on these FSS models also help an old guy see them better especialy when hunting.

With this single shot adaptor, makes it very easy to shoot with short ammo too....


With a few magazines of different ammo it becomes very versatile & just plain fun to carry & shoot....
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Which ever gun you choose, I'm sure you will really like it! JMHO.
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My 50 year old bone stock 10/22 shoots better than that on any given day with any ammo.
 
That's because that ammo is garbage, if those were CCI SV's the group would probably be touching, or close to touching at 50 yards.

Of the 3 10/22's I've used over the years, all of them would outshoot that group. It's not the mk.II it's the crap ammo. I bet with a 10/22 the groups would be just as bad.
 
Rocket Surgery said:
That's because that ammo is garbage, if those were CCI SV's the group would probably be touching, or close to touching at 50 yards.

Of the 3 10/22's I've used over the years, all of them would outshoot that group. It's not the mk.II it's the crap ammo. I bet with a 10/22 the groups would be just as bad.
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I tried 9 types of match rifle ammo in the Savage Mk II and 5 or 6 would produce consistent better than 1/2" 5 shot groups.
The best RWS match ammo produced better than 1.25" 10 shot groups at 100m!

Ruger 10/22 produces 50-100% larger groups with the same ammo.

Alex
 
So a baseline Mk II with irons would make a good starter? While I'm already shooting my SKS, I'd like to start learning the basics with a rimfire rifle. The availability is definitely better and if it's more accurate, great news for me. Eventually, I'll mount a Banner on it, but not before I can count on hitting what I'm aiming at with the irons.
 
I had a remington 597 but sold that and then bought a savage. I love the savage much more! It has shot every brand I put through it reliably and has a lovely trigger
 
Right here in the Rimfire postings should give you an answer to your querie. Bolts are more accurate than semis . and almost every mention of a 10-22 is to tell of upgrades it needs to make it shoot more than 50 yards which seems the norm. I use a 1940 marlin 81DL bolt action and with a scope have shot gophers at 200 yards quite accurately. And my Stevens 300 ( Savage Mark II) at 150 . All semis except my Winchester 490 semi fizzled at about 100-125. I only shoot one kind of bulk ammo as i shoot huge quantities so it gives a comparison. Just my opinion.
 
I started out with the savage, but eventually got a 10/22 as well. It's sometime fun to blast away with the 10/22, but i think it is worth starting and learning on the bolt gun first then moving on to the semi.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
So a baseline Mk II with irons would make a good starter? While I'm already shooting my SKS, I'd like to start learning the basics with a rimfire rifle. The availability is definitely better and if it's more accurate, great news for me. Eventually, I'll mount a Banner on it, but not before I can count on hitting what I'm aiming at with the irons.
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If you're going to mount optics eventually, Consider the MkII G over the F for a better cheek weld(on the lower end mkII's.). The F model does not lend itself well to scopes without mods.
 
Ok, thanks. So what about 22LR vs 22WMR? Is the WMR worth the extra moo-la? I may be using it as a coyote gun once or twice...but probably only targets, and some rabbit/squirells...
 
Wmr for yotes, not 22s please! I've had to put one down that my wife drove over. Had to use three shots to the head. Wish I had my wmr, pore bugger!
As for cost, omg! 50 for $12 wmr or 5000 for $200 including tax.
 
I've got myself a Savage MKII BSEV with a Bushnell Banner 4-12 scope on it. So far I've found CCI Mini-Mags work extremely well in it. While I'm still quite new to shooting at 50 yards 5 shots will be touching each other, at 100 it opens up a wee bit, that being said though again, I'm quite new to the sport and I can tell that this gun is far more accurate than I am at this point.

It was my first rifle and I don't regret buying it, I highly recommend it.
 
Keep in mind there are a ton of different 10/22 rifles out there. Most have "hunting/plinking" barrels on them and the triggers need work. put a $160 dollar DLask 16" threaded barrel on one and a $40 trigger job with 38 grain American Eagle and your 10/22 will shoot exceptionally well. That's the cheapest and most cost effective combo I have found so far. That being said my Stainless target model 10/22 with a $40 trigger job, and Lapua Super club shoots very nicely. Probably not as accurate as the Savage but still it holds it's own.

Now... they don't make them anymore but my experience with my Thompson R55 Benchmark is 1 moa at 100 yards with CCI Standard ammo. It was the same cost as a 10/22 target model, but is more accurate, has a last shot hold open and frankly is everything the 10/22 should be but isn't.

As for the Savage. I've heard nothing but good things about the accuracy. I've never shot one so I can't say from first hand experience. From what I've read it's a great deal for an accurate rimfire. But keep in mind the savings come from somewhere. You'll get a very nice shooting firearm but check one out first to see what you think of the fit/finish.

The price for a decent 10/22 is $500 before optics. You can do it for less, or more depending on how crazy you want to go.
 
Of course, the $160 Dlask barrel and $40 trigger job together are going to put you into the ballpark of a basic Savage Mark II, if cost-effective accuracy is the sole objective, and that seems to be the niche that Savage has been carving out for itself in general. You can't make the Mark II look like a G36 though ;)
 
Ok, thanks. I think I've kinda decided on the Mark II. My only question now is which model. Ive narrowed it down to the G (and add scope later), a BV ( and add scope later), or a FXP that comes with a scope. I really like the looks of the stock of the BV but is there any other performance differences? I can't find any...
And also does anyone have any experience with the FXP's scope? Thanks.
 
Get the BV if 75% or more of your shooting will be targets. The standard weight is better for carrying long distances hunting, and would be the only Savage bolt I'd ever get in stainless steel. I think the added weight of the stock and heavy barrel stabilizes you more=make you more steady for target work. I personally don't think that the heavy barreled Savage guns are more accurate than the standard weight ones...but I like 'em more.

As for .22WMR vs. .22lr~they're different animals altogether. Like buying a car...buy a gun for what you intend to do with it 99% of the time, not 1%. Sounds like you should be getting a .22lr, and I think that BV is the best value for what you get for the money. .22WMR has way more power, is louder, ammo more expensive, etc. Coyotes shouldn't be a problem out to about 50-100 yards, but like any hunting...shot placement is critical. I've never had a coyote come into rimfire range, so I hunt them with a .223
 
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