Yes, checkering would be nice but on a gun that will likely spend most of its life on display rather than being shot does it really matter?? Nice gun and if I were into buying display pieces it's one I would like to have.
Ruger 1911 Navy Seal Edition
- Thread starter Lukesky
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Yes, checkering would be nice but on a gun that will likely spend most of its life on display rather than being shot does it really matter?? Nice gun and if I were into buying display pieces it's one I would like to have.
Really.... did you read the ad where it states " $100.00 donation to the Navy Seal Foundation " with the sale of every pistol?? Good on Ruger to give a little back.
And to address the 556 comment I'm more than happy with mine.. The weight is a matter of personal choice and I have seen no issue, to date, after a couple thousand rounds of any problem with carrier tilt. Will likely add a varmint model in the near future - great gun.
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- chilliwack BC.
and, they are basing it on a really great pistol to start with. I suspect the nay sayers haven't shot one. I think there are some that are better than others, and they will just hand pick the best ones and then give them this treatment. its a fine firearm and is a limited edition for a reasonable price. its cheaper than many even at the higher price.
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- East ontario
Lol!!
wayupnorth
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these came out after i got my full sized Ruger SR1911.
i was seriously looking at picking one up because i wanted the Commander sized 1911.
now that i actually have a commander sized Ruger SR1911 i was tossing around the idea of making my own version of the above.
starting with the stock SR1911 CMD.
sending it over to a smith to have some front strap checkering and a couple other mods to it done.
then sending it down to ArmaCoat to have it black nitro'd.
i think in the end youd have the same gun but actually shootable.
course it wouldnt be a collector edition gun but it would be a nice shootable gun.
i was seriously looking at picking one up because i wanted the Commander sized 1911.
now that i actually have a commander sized Ruger SR1911 i was tossing around the idea of making my own version of the above.
starting with the stock SR1911 CMD.
sending it over to a smith to have some front strap checkering and a couple other mods to it done.
then sending it down to ArmaCoat to have it black nitro'd.
i think in the end youd have the same gun but actually shootable.
course it wouldnt be a collector edition gun but it would be a nice shootable gun.
They're a for profit entity like all companies. Their goal is profit. They advertise their contributions to a foundation to stimulate people to buy their products. They could donate a portion of all sales to the foundation and never say a word but they don't.
Tdc
They could also never donate anything and continue to make tons of money.
I always shake my head at people whining about corporations donating money to charities and foundations. They are scum when they don't donate, but they are also scum when they do??
Are you that much of a socialist/communist that you can never find anything good to say about for-profit companies? Its sounds like you have something against making money and marketing, even when that equates to people donating profits and making a difference. If they do more marketing, they sell more. If they sell more, they grow. If they grow, guess what? They can donate more.
Its also always people that are clueless about running a business that take your stance. How many multi-million dollar companies that can develop exclusive products for a specific cause and donate part of the proceeds have YOU started?? Hell, name me one PROFITABLE company you've started, and maybe it'll be worth continueing this discussion...
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Nothing wrong with making money at all. But if you think ruger really gives a f$$k about the foundation you'd be dreaming. If a corporation is really genuine about their donation they wouldn't advertise the #### out of it. Advertising is done to generate revenue which means profit. If they simply want to be capitalist than don't donate a dime and simply drive on. Instead companies use bs marketing campaigns such as this or "cancer cure" or any number of charities. Its a money making scam and dumb people all over the globe fall for it. If people really wanted to contribute they would. Instead consumers feel good about themselves for such purchases as they are "helping" those in need while getting what they want. The guilt is shared equally.
Tdc
I'm still waiting on hearing about the number of profitable companies you run. You talk like you have it all figured out, so surely you have experience in the field you are such an expert on?
Let me explain something to you very quickly. If Ruger didn't give a #### about the foundation like you claim, they wouldn't donate anything to them.
They would make the same limited edition gun, call it some other exclusive name, still sell ALL of them for the same price, and put it all in their pockets.
But they don't do that. They take the same oportunity they have as a profitable business and turn it into something that makes a difference.
Then you have guys like you that come along, some sort of zeitgeist movie fanboys, that still find something wrong with that.
So next time you whine, remember one single fact ; In your infinite wisdom, you're still the guy #####ing about a company that donates some of the money they could keep. And you'll NEVER in your lifetime make as big a ponderable difference as they are.
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Wow you're sure worked up there champ. I really couldn't care less what ruger does with their money. They make sub standard handguns and average rifles. The comical part is the whole "navy seal" edition. As they've never used a ruger and don't run 1911's.
You obviously missed the point I was trying to make. Ruger could sell more of their guns without the "we will donate to xyz charity" marketing, you're right. But they can charge more and sell them faster if they attach some patriotic charitable bs on the end. Unless ruger is donating half of the profit or more, they're simply playing on dumb peoples petty need to feel good about themselves when they justify their purchase as "helping" those in need.
Nike adopted lance Armstrong because he was a poster boy for cancer survivors(not really, but whatever) and his highly trumped up "live strong" brand name was a huge money maker. Everywhere you turned some fool was wearing a bracelet or a yellow Nike shirt/shoes/sunglasses/gym bag etc. Do you think Nike gives a SH!t about cancer research or are they more concerned with profit?
Where did I say I wanted to "make a difference"? I have a lot of respect for those who serve, its often a thankless job with a high personal cost. I sleep well at night knowing I'm exactly as useful as the next tax paying citizen. I understand I have a social insurance number because in the big picture, I'm just a number. You might be special to your mom but your existence or lack thereof doesn't make a single bit of difference to the world.
Tdc
LOL me worked up???
Let me remind you, you were the one coming into this thread whining about how boring the gun is, how it is a pathetic attempt on Ruger's part and what not...If someone got worked up over something, its you pal.
For somebody who doesn't care about what Ruger does with their money, you sure have a lot to whine about, down to your SIN number!
Let me remind you, you were the one coming into this thread whining about how boring the gun is, how it is a pathetic attempt on Ruger's part and what not...If someone got worked up over something, its you pal.
For somebody who doesn't care about what Ruger does with their money, you sure have a lot to whine about, down to your SIN number!
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r34skyline
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I have a question. What is the mechanical differences that separate this 1911 from their usual 1911s? I see the grip is different. And the finish is different. with a splash of a paintjob in the back. So in total it is costing the company next to nothing extra over the usual. Let's say $50 extra per gun, and they are donating $100 per gun to the seal foundation, so if they are charging any more than $150 over the normal gun for a run of 500 guns they are making more profit off it, and knowing how nationalistic americans are this will sell out in a matter of weeks. I have an idea. Why don't I donate the $100 to the seal foundation myself, and not drop $1200 on a subpar built example of a subpar design? Rugers website states the guns msrp of the 5inch barrel is $829. At Can am you can buy one for $759. Ruger is still profiting from that price point, how much was this pistol again? If it is more than $900-950 it's a marketing gimmick designed for a short term profit burst. You don't have to be a successful businessman to understand that, you just have to use some simple arithmetic.
I think your $50 extra per gun is a very low guess, first of all.
Also, like any limited runs, some of the extra money you pay is for exclusivity. Thats nothing new.
So if we talk retail price, lets say $759 for a regular gun + plus probably AT LEAST $100-150 more for the custom grips + custom finish + gold logos + polishing + cloth case, lets say 2-3k for the marketing (professional photography, graphic design) which amounts to about another 50 per piece, you're already almost at 1k per pistol.
$100 for the foundation, thats close to 1100.
Dealers in the US are selling them between $1100 and $1300. Take the exchange rate of our dollar, the importing fees, etc....and suddenly there isn't that much more money being made by Ruger on these compared to their regular 1911s.
The fact is, there are very real costs to making special edition products and bringing them to market. Costs that people who don't run businesses don't have the reflex of taking into account. The less units you make, the more each unit's customization costs.
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r34skyline
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So that's an extra 100-200 in profits, and I call bs on it costing them $100-150 extra per gun. How much are custom wood grips to a manufacturer? Retail prices for aftermarket custom grips are 60, so to a manufacturer I doubt it would be anything more than $20, is it a different wood? Doesn't specify. The finish? Looks like the finish they use on the sr9, so again, it's something that would not cost them maybe $20 extra per gun, if that. What about the cloth case? It's a standard cloth case, nothing special about it, they don't have to ship out the hardcase, so they save money there, so I doubt it cost them anything extra. Even going by your numbers they are making an extra 50-100k in extra profits, and in reality it's probably more.
If you wanted a sr1911 why not get a sr1911 for that 759 and donate 100 yourself? Or better yet if you already have one shoot what you already have and donate the $100 to the foundation? Treat yourself to a lovely $60 softcase while you are at it.
You have to pay a designer to design them, first of all. If you make 10,000 or 20,000 grips of that design, that person's cost ends up being very small for each set of grips. But its a completely different story if you only make 500. Then there is the machine setup cost, the test runs, etc. All these things add up quickly to the unit price, especially when you end up only making 500 of them after its all said and done.
So no, your $20 estimate is not realistic.
You have to pay a project manager too for the whole thing. That adds up as well.
Look, maybe Ruger is making just a bit more on these than their regular 1911s. Maybe.
But don't expect companies to come up with new, exclusive, limited-run products to just break even on their expenses for the project. And if they evaluate that they can add on $100 for the foundation and still sell it at a price point that will not only be an incentive to buyers but will make a ponderable difference for a foundation, then thats another sound, responsible business decision.
The bottom line is, you may not want to spend that much for this gun. Thats fine. I won't either. But to claim that Ruger is ripping people off is a an ignorant claim. And by ignorant, I mean that you obviously underestimate the design and manufacturing expenses and processes, including salaries, for such special edition products.
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r34skyline
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I don't disagree it's a sound business decision, it has proven to work many many times in the past for more than just firearms. It's a short term profit burst. Plus it boosts the rep of the company in question. It's a win win for ruger, it's comical to see people drool over it like it cures cancer because they tossed on the donation gimmick. It's a trade off on overall profits for guaranteeing a quick sell.
