Ruger 1s- I Rekon I want a 30-30
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My 350 Rem. Mag. is a better example. In a short action the 310gr bullet has to be seated to level A which takes up a lot of case capacity. In my long action rifle the bullet can be seated to level B so I can fill the case to the neck base and get a considerable muzzle speed increase.
For the .30-30 the 170gr isn't seated below the neck base so decreased seating depth doesn't provide much of a benefit because the increased volume for additional powder isn't very much.
What's the distance from A to B?
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The .44 mag is surprisingly flat out of a rifle... well... flat ish. By which I mean that from 0-100 you could hold on, and over 100 I'd hold on the backbone or 2/3 of the way up, depending on game size.
Assuming a .205 BC at 1800 fps and a 100 yard zero, you're only 1 inch up at 50, and 5 down at 150. Down 15 at 200 yards but you're at 900 fpe by then. Realistically, with a proficient shooter, it's a 175 yard cartridge on deer size game, though 200 isn't insane.
The JSP below is a 240 Nosler over 24 gr of H110 for 1800 fps - went through five milk jugs of water at 50 yards. The first three blew up REAL good. Expanded to 3/4 of an inch. The cast is a 275 Ranch Dog, over 7.5 grains of Titegroup for 1200 fps - went through 9 jugs / 54 inches of water and I found it another 30 yards down range on the ground. Shoulda used 10 jugs I guess, but honestly I thought 9 was more than enough. Always surprised by the penetration of hard cast solids. A .429 hole through both sides of pretty much anything won't much improve it's health.
I agree with the recommendation for a big bore thumper though. While a #1 in .30-30 is a very attractive proposition, a #1 in .45-70 or .405 Win sounds like it would round out your capabilities nicely. Plus .45-70 is like .44 mag in that it's three cartridges at once, depending how you load it. Plus it's an excellent cartridge to cast for. With ammo prices down there (heck, everywhere), casting for .45-70 gets you a LOT of performance for pennies a round vs dollars a round. Just the thing for water buffalo and camels I would think? On the other hand, the heart wants what the heart wants... if we're talking owning multiple near identical rifles for no other reason, I'm living in a fully glass house.
Well put. Dang hard to argue the merits of cast boolits for game or long range target work.
A very good way to go...
An even better way to go, sit on your wallet, keep the .303 Brit and forget this nonsense...
P.S - the .303 is an excellent cartridge in the No.1... if you want a second one, just get whatever captures your imagination... just keep in mind that you are more likely to keep it if it serves a useful purpose not covered by other No.1's... the .303 covers alot of ground.
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