Ruger BX-25 Mags

"thanks for the replies, but I do have a few thoughts:

2) I'm still coming up blank when looking for something other than "hear-say" suggesting the BX-25 is a "prohibited device"... does anyone have a link or reference to the specific law that mentions it?

I'll try to do more digging but if I recall correctly the reason the BX-25 is prohibited is all based on an RCMP interpretation. Because the magazine is marketed as a magazine for both the rifle and the Charger handgun, the RCMP has deemed this to be a handgun magazine by design. Since they have stated it is a handgun magazine, it must be limited to 10 rounds. This is a similar interpretation as for the S&W .22LR AR look alike. Because that firearm is available as a rifle and a handgun, and the manufacture markets the magazines as for both the rifle and the handgun, the magazine is deemed a 'handgun magazine' and must be limited to 10 rounds.

All this because of our stupid magazine capacity laws and an equally silly RCMP.

I don't know what the firearm 'experts' in the RCMP are smoking but it really should be illegal.

I have written the RCMP requesting documentation on this issue but I have not heard back from them you. I'll let you all know if/when they get back to me.
 
The bottom half of post 17 identifies the exact law which prohibits the BX-25, the top half is a quote from the original poster.
 
I'll try to do more digging but if I recall correctly the reason the BX-25 is prohibited is all based on an RCMP interpretation. Because the magazine is marketed as a magazine for both the rifle and the Challenger handgun, the RCMP has deemed this to be a handgun magazine by design. Since they have stated it is a handgun magazine, it must be limited to 10 rounds. This is a similar interpretation as for the S&W .22LR AR look alike. Because that firearm is available as a rifle and a handgun, and the manufacture markets the magazines as for both the rifle and the handgun, the magazine is deemed a 'handgun magazine' and must be limited to 10 rounds.

All this because of our stupid magazine capacity laws and an equally silly RCMP.

I don't know what the firearm 'experts' in the RCMP are smoking but it really should be illegal.

I have written the RCMP requesting documentation on this issue but I have not heard back from them you. I'll let you all know if/when they get back to me.

The 2 threads I linked a few posts back clearly explain the logic used, and coupled with the quoted law, it is pretty straight forward.

Retarded, but not hard to understand.
 
You as an individual cannot legally travel to the US, take possession of ANY firearm part, regardless of the price, and then take it with you back into the Canada without all the paperwork. In that case you would be the exporter and you would be very clearly breaking US law.

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well we could take your word on it or the US Governments word on it...... think there a lil more qualified than you ;)
 
My word as you call it is based on my correspondence with the US Dept of State. I think I'll trust them on their own regulations.

and there own regs are clear so STOP fear mongering people with ghost storries of NO firearms parts because your WRONG!


items which usually need a export license are:

•Frames
•Receivers
•Barrels
•Barrel Liners
•Various other gun parts such as triggers, sears, ejectors, magazine tubes, scopes, and other items if the ordered amount is over $100.00 US.

nuff said its there law read it how you will
 
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I think Fusilier elaborated beautifully.

I'd only add that, based on what I was told by the State Department, even with the correct paperwork a non-US resident can not go pickup the goods State-side.

Bone with respect; you kinda missed the mark with your comment there.

oh BS I order parts weekly and have zero problems as long as I stay under the 100 bucks and dont go after there certain list like reveivers, barrels, bolts etc
 
You are violating US export law, not Canadian law! US export laws heavily regulate the export of firearm parts including magazines. Not sure what BCboy is talking about as I understand almost all firearm parts require some sort of export permit especially mags.

I understand the $100 rule, it makes the exporter exempt from obtaining a permit, but as I understand it one still must be a licensed exporter. Only a licensed exporter can export firearms parts or get an export permit so you violated US export laws when you brought the mags out of the US.

This has been discussed to death and a search of the term export or import might help.

As far as more information on the Ruger BX mags, I can't help you any further. There is a reason nobody in Canada is carrying them, and there has been a few threads here with the official RCMP ruling posted, but again the search function may or may not yield results on the matter.

My advice is give it up, and either pin the mags, or destroy them.

I am sorry to say But what you Understand is incorrect ,Not all Magazines require an export permit to export them out of the USA to CANADA . You need to know the US state Dept export regs ,It depends on the magazine . So I am not sure what you are talkling about ?
 
A licenced exporter may export gun parts, including magazines.
The manufacturer of the gun parts (magazines) must be licenced with the US DOS to have this products exported.
If the value of the gun parts, including magazines, in the export shipment is less than US$100 at wholesale the licenced US exporter need not obtain a specific export permit for that shipment. If the value exceeds US$100, the licenced exporter must obtain an export permit for the shipment.
Some gun parts cannot be exported by the licenced exporter without a specific permit for that export, regardless of value. But magazines are not specifically controlled parts.
 
I am sorry to say But what you Understand is incorrect ,Not all Magazines require an export permit to export them out of the USA to CANADA . You need to know the US state Dept export regs ,It depends on the magazine . So I am not sure what you are talkling about ?

Care to elaborate, or are you just trying to add to the confusion? I was asking an honest question, and would love an answer, which you seem to have, but not share.
 
I can't SHOW you where it said parts because (you'd know this if you read my first post in this thread) I couldn't find it.

Which is why I called them to clarify and I was VERY specific in discussing PARTS with the "NO SENSE OF HUMOUR WHY ARE YOU BUGGING ME" agent on the other end of the line.

The agent was VERY clear that there was no circumstance under which I (a Canadian citizen) could purchase firearms PARTS State-side and cross the border back into Canada with them.

You don't believe me, by all means call them yourself... (202) 663-1282

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show me were it says this for PARTS, were not talking about FIREARMS!
 
I can't SHOW you where it said parts because (you'd know this if you read my first post in this thread) I couldn't find it.

Which is why I called them to clarify and I was VERY specific in discussing PARTS with the "NO SENSE OF HUMOUR WHY ARE YOU BUGGING ME" agent on the other end of the line.

The agent was VERY clear that there was no circumstance under which I (a Canadian citizen) could purchase firearms PARTS State-side and cross the border back into Canada with them.

You don't believe me, by all means call them yourself... (202) 663-1282

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NO you show me were it says it in writing, were its law

you cant and it is legal to bring certain parts back people do it all the time this isnt new, you cannot bring back a firearm, just because you talked to ONE idiot border agent makes it no more wrong than half the rcmp in canada not knowing the firearms act!

and for the record I have called them and gotten a entire diffeent story than you did or your giving here
 
.....people do it all the time.....

This has nothing to do with legality.

and for the record I have called them and gotten a entire diffeent story than you did or your giving here

Who is the "them" that you called?

Are you referring to the US DOS, or Cdn DFAIT?

It is worth looking up Wendell's many posts on this topic. He links to the exact US regulations. Read them yourself.
 
The manufacturer of the gun parts (magazines) must be licenced with the US DOS to have this products exported.
Yea, I couldn't buy some 5rd pre-mrk2 savage .22lr magazines because the manufacturer wasn't registered.
 
Care to elaborate, or are you just trying to add to the confusion? I was asking an honest question, and would love an answer, which you seem to have, but not share.

No I am not adding to confusion on the matter , Not all Mags need permits .
I have gone throught the import/export process many ,many times . I have applyed for import permits and the stateside exporter(s) have applyed to the State Dept to export parts,bullets and Magazines from the USA. Some mags Do not need export Permits (stated by the state dept on several occasions) and some do. Value is a factor and as well of type of firearm the magazine is used for, also the magazine capacity limit comes into play .
As stated before Not all magazines need export permits , I do not know why it is confusing ? I am not going by hear say , but my own experinces. Think what you like .
 
No I am not adding to confusion on the matter , Not all Mags need permits .
I have gone throught the import/export process many ,many times . I have applyed for import permits and the stateside exporter(s) have applyed to the State Dept to export parts,bullets and Magazines from the USA. Some mags Do not need export Permits (stated by the state dept on several occasions) and some do. Value is a factor and as well of type of firearm the magazine is used for, also the magazine capacity limit comes into play .
As stated before Not all magazines need export permits , I do not know why it is confusing ? I am not going by hear say , but my own experinces. Think what you like .

Not all magazines need export permits - or gun parts - need export permits.

That is, the licenced exporter may not necessarily need to apply for an export permit specifically for a particular magazine or other part.
 
Not all magazines need export permits - or gun parts - need export permits.

That is, the licenced exporter may not necessarily need to apply for an export permit specifically for a particular magazine or other part.

That is my Point :) Just keep getting questioned on it by a certain person:D
Really dont care if he beleives me or not
 
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