Ruger BX-25 Mags

BCboy said:
That is my Point :) Just keep getting questioned on it by a certain person:D
Really dont care if he beleives me or not
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We are discussing an individual going stateside and bringing back items. Your statements are appearing to support the OP's idea that anyone can go buy some legal 10 rounders and bring them back themselves. We are not talking about legally exported items exported by a licensed business here.

These mags you speak of that do not need a permit, do they still not have to be exported by a licensed exporter?

I believe that is what Tiriaq is eluding to above.
 
mlehtovaara said:
We are discussing an individual going stateside and bringing back items. Your statements are appearing to support the OP's idea that anyone can go buy some legal 10 rounders and bring them back themselves. We are not talking about legally exported items exported by a licensed business here.

These mags you speak of that do not need a permit, do they still not have to be exported by a licensed exporter?

I believe that is what Tiriaq is eluding to above.
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Ok if the magazine or part that you are exporting out of the USA Dose not require an export from the state dept because of the type/price/use etc....and is exempt , then yes you can drive it over the boarder because it dose not require the export permit . It is a USA law! You need to find out from the state dept if the mag/part needs a permit that you intend to buy and if it don't you can drive it across.

are you saying that if the mag/part dosent require an export permit (after checking with the state dept)to export it out of the usa ,you still cant bring it home ? if it dosent require a permit ,it dosent require a permit , you can get the info from the state dept on what dose and what dosent.

mlehtovaara said:
These mags you speak of that do not need a permit, do they still not have to be exported by a licensed exporter?
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Why would they They dont need a permit
 
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ruger bx-25

A guy at my local gun range showed me his bx -25's he said he bought them off of rimfire sports website (US company). He said he paid less than $30 for them, shipping included. Just before rimfire sports decided to stop shipping to Canada.
Wish I'd found out a few weeks earlier. Boo Hoo :-(
 
newgunboy said:
A guy at my local gun range showed me his bx -25's he said he bought them off of rimfire sports website (US company). He said he paid less than $30 for them, shipping included. Just before rimfire sports decided to stop shipping to Canada.
Wish I'd found out a few weeks earlier. Boo Hoo :-(
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:bangHead:

So you want to purchase illegal magazines?

f:P:
 
I find it rediculous we can not obtain the BX-25 magazines in Canada, still have to deal with the crap butler creek junk you can buy. I have the Tactical Inc ones which of course much better then Butler Creek however I've heard alignment and function of the bx-25 is that of the stock 10 rounders, so I highly desire to obtain/try some of these for sure.

They're 25 rounds same as butler creek, the fact they have not been allowed in is simply put "stupid". Here is to hoping we can get them in 2012 ;)

Change the wording on the packages and send them to us allready!! :D
 
Don't forget this is the same ruling that allows 10 round AR mags, and pistol mags to be used in pistol calibre carbines!

I wouldn't trade all that fun for these BX mags to be allowed in!

Get a grip ladies. You have to take the good with the bad. ;)

Personally I have never had an issue with the BC Steel Lips, and they function very well.
 
mlehtovaara said:
You are violating US export law, not Canadian law! US export laws heavily regulate the export of firearm parts including magazines. Not sure what BCboy is talking about as I understand almost all firearm parts require some sort of export permit especially mags.

I understand the $100 rule, it makes the exporter exempt from obtaining a permit, but as I understand it one still must be a licensed exporter. Only a licensed exporter can export firearms parts or get an export permit so you violated US export laws when you brought the mags out of the US.

This has been discussed to death and a search of the term export or import might help.

As far as more information on the Ruger BX mags, I can't help you any further. There is a reason nobody in Canada is carrying them, and there has been a few threads here with the official RCMP ruling posted, but again the search function may or may not yield results on the matter.

My advice is give it up, and either pin the mags, or destroy them.
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this store is B.C. is selling them
http://www.grouseriver.com/Ruger_BX_25_Magazine_p/hun-001651.htm
 
hopkin said:
this store is B.C. is selling them
http://www.grouseriver.com/Ruger_BX_25_Magazine_p/hun-001651.htm
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No they don't. I called them to confirm, and this link is a throwback to when they were expecting them.

They say this link can only be found thanks to google's caching feature.
 
Why hasn't Ruger Canada not made a new Canadian compliant CX-25 magazine?
Specifically made and marked for 10/22 rifles only!

Time for the Canadian Ruger dealers to press this on and get this rolling.
 
I just can't see this standing up in court if it were ever to go there. .22lr rifles can have an unlimited capacity magazine, were can buy any variation of a 10/22 mag except for the BX25, simply because of a advertisement that potentially conflicted with canadian law.

So someone has a unpinned BX25, at a range, a law enforcement official seizes it as a prohibited device, charges the owner with possession, etc. Once the facts are in front of a judge, I think the ban/prohibition would be struck down, because it's just so silly and waste of everyone's time. Sure who would want to go through all the legal hassle and expense, and there are plenty of alternate mags to use, I like the Butler Creek steel ones fine too.

But I think this issue should be tackled by the canadian gun lobby simply because the 10/22 rifle is probably the most popular gun in the country, and it's ridiculous that the BX25 is prohibited. Someone should be charged only if they put one into a Charger, and even that sounds like a stretch.

I keep hearing that if everyone owned an AR15 we could get them off the restricted list, maybe/maybe not. But if every one of the thousands of 10/22 owners spoke up on the RX25 issue, I'm sure this prohibition would be struck down, and with Harper running the country now would be the time.

All that said it would be easier to just have all the canadian dealers place a combined muli-thousand mag order with ruger for a CX25 canadian variant, as said by twyeh - good idea. They'd happily do it if they thought the market was here for that many. How many could they expect to sell? I'd buy at least 6, more like a dozen, selling thousands would be easy. Let's get this solved.

Now I'm off the buy some more TI25's before they disappear.
 
Do you have any experience with the TI25 composite version or just the aluminium ?
i was asking myself, how much better can the mag be .. the difference between composite and aluminium

PS: could be a stupid question, sorry about it, but since im getting informed before even having my PAL (course+exam = 9 may 2012). Do you have to have a PAL for ordering a 10 22 mag ?
 
DocBurN said:
Do you have any experience with the TI25 composite version or just the aluminium ?
i was asking myself, how much better can the mag be .. the difference between composite and aluminium

PS: could be a stupid question, sorry about it, but since im getting informed before even having my PAL (course+exam = 9 may 2012). Do you have to have a PAL for ordering a 10 22 mag ?
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No, you dont need it to buy any firearm accessories, only the firearms themselves.
 
BigBeaverBoomStix said:
I just can't see this standing up in court if it were ever to go there. .22lr rifles can have an unlimited capacity magazine, were can buy any variation of a 10/22 mag except for the BX25, simply because of a advertisement that potentially conflicted with canadian law.....

But I think this issue should be tackled by the canadian gun lobby..
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There are other similar situations as well, e.g. the Chiappa .22AR conversion mag (any other conversion mag fits the gun), the S&W 15/22 mag (currently no third party alternatives but the principle is the same.)

I agree with you that this is a made to measure issue for the gun orgs. At the very least they should commission a thorough legal opinion on the matter. There are at least two relevant points - the ambiguous term "designed for" in the regs, and the over broad authority of the RCMP to interpret that term.

Given how long other logically absurd Canadian gun laws have survived I'm not sure that a court would overturn the reg merely because it's completely ridiculous. But there are some underlying legal issues that are probably vulnerable.

So gun orgs, where are you on this matter? I for one would be happy to make a substantial donation to partially fund a serious challenge to this nonsensical interpretation of the reg.
 
DocBurN said:
Do you have any experience with the TI25 composite version or just the aluminium ?
i was asking myself, how much better can the mag be .. the difference between composite and aluminium

PS: could be a stupid question, sorry about it, but since im getting informed before even having my PAL (course+exam = 9 may 2012). Do you have to have a PAL for ordering a 10 22 mag ?
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I haven't tried the composite version, not sure who sells that in canada. I'd definitely pick one up though.

I haven't tried out the aluminum TI25 yet, but I can't imagine it not working properly. I already took it apart, and everything looks great. I'll have it out to range next week. Compare it to the Butler Creek and you'll see the value difference, and I like my BC mags, they're fairly priced, steel lips only!

You don't need a PAL to buy a magazine.

If it's not too late make sure to get your RPAL at the same time, just ask the instructor to add you to the class, they always have less people in the restricted course so you shouldn't have any trouble getting in at the same time - best advice I ever got.

Get it all done in one weekend and then you get to play with EVERYTHING!!! Who wants to be in a gun store and be told "Sorry I can't let you handle that gun, it's restricted". All the best.
 
Courts are no place for common sense, judges have to uphold the law, and the law says that bx25 magazines are made for pistols so they need to be pinned to 10rds or prohibited.
No judge is going to go against the written law, no matter how dumb that law is.
 
lone-wolf said:
Courts are no place for common sense, judges have to uphold the law, and the law says that bx25 magazines are made for pistols so they need to be pinned to 10rds or prohibited.
No judge is going to go against the written law, no matter how dumb that law is.
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It's not that clear cut. The law (actually a CCC Regulation) is vague and subject to interpretation (as are many other sections of the same body of regs.) There is plenty of room for a legal challenge of these defects.
 
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