Ruger BX25 magazines and RCMP policy

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little_airwolf said:
Lol do you guys honestly think they will prohibit all aftermarket mags? Just how many thousands of mags are in Canada.
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Good lord, here I am agreeing with you again. I kind of hope they do try to prohibit them all, let's see what kind of s##tstorm that kicks up. I'm thinking way more dollar value here than a few CZ's etc and look what that started. If you can use a pistol mag @10 rounds in a centrefire rifle that it happens to fit where you are only legally allowed 5 rounds how is this any different than a rimfire rifle mag @25 rounds that happens to fit a pistol that is only allowed 10 rounds? They seem to want it both ways and I'd like to see them explain that in court.
 
little_airwolf said:
Correct.
The criminal code says that a magazine that is designed and manufactured for a pistol must be pinned to ten rounds. If the mag works for both a rifle and pistol. The mag still must be pinned. Thus the LAR mags are 10 rounds and are legal for a centerfire rifle even though the same man mag for the rifle must be 5 rounds. However rimfire rifles have no limit. Unless the mag is swappable from pistol to rifle.
M&P 15-22, BX-25 and when the pistol version of the 715t makes it into Canada, the 25 rounds mags also will have to be pinned.
The BX25x2 is a different product. Different design and on both the website and packaging, they clearly state that the mag is for the 10/22 rifle family.
Thus why Ive filled an appeal. I have also listed all the current 10/22 aftermarket mags and the ITT will have to decide if all aftermarket mags will need to be pinned of they classify the bx25x2 mags as prohibited unless pinned. This is because all 10/22 aftermarket mags work with the Ruger Charger. If they do it for one, they must do it for all.
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No, it depends entirely on what the magazine was designed for. In all honesty, you don't understand how the magazine regulations work and should not be the one bringing this to court. It doesn't matter what firearm it can be used in. With the Butler Creek magazines, the situation is much clearer as they were on the market before the Charger existed. The issue I see with the BX-25x2 is in determining if it is in fact a novel design or simply a BX-25 that is marked differently. One results in a legal mag, the other results in a prohibited device.
 
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Your whining and complaint because you tried to bring something illegal across the border and got it confiscated, and now your pointing out the similarities of perfectly legal OEM mags.......really, are you trying to get them put on the phrohibited list too? Which way do you think this is going to go.... in your/our favor? I hope for our sake they don't take you seriously.
 
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Ar180shooter said:
No, it depends entirely on what the magazine was designed for. In all honesty, you don't understand how the magazine regulations work and should not be the one bringing this to court.
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Many have tried to explain it to him... and if by some freak chance there is actually a hearing of any significance (doubtful)... having Little Airwolf representing the shooting community would be a travesty.

He is not doing this for the good of the shooting sports community, he is doing this for himself over a hundred bucks...
 
savagecanuck said:
I just forfeited them,not a law breaker and not worth the hassle or time too return them.Yes I went on advice from another at the range who told me he declared them at the same border and let him have them.Yes my border agent was a gun guy and is a member of this site.He sympathize d with me but he is stuck with an archaic RCMP ruling. Like I said before Ruger has complied and changed the package, why can't the RCMP get with the times and change the prohibition. I just want a reliable mag.Just pisses me off I'm too honest.I said too CBS agent if I was trying to hide them I would have thrown away receipt and put them in my pocket. He agreed I wasn't trying to hide just a little ignorant of a stupid prohibition. CBS agent said he would feel bad as well when he smashed them with a hammer.
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It doesn't matter if they changed the package. If it's the same magazine (not a new design) it is still a prohibited device unless pinned.
 
little_airwolf said:
Lol do you guys honestly think they will prohibit all aftermarket mags? Just how many thousands of mags are in Canada.
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Good arguement, you think they cared about how many Swiss arms and 858's were out there? Even though it was a fail did numbers stop the LGR? If they do become prohibited are you really going to risk the rest of your firearm/license so you can keep your 25rnd 22lr mag?

Definitely sounds like a responsible decision.
 
hoytcanon said:
Many have tried to explain it to him... and if by some freak chance there is actually a hearing of any significance (doubtful)... having Little Airwolf representing the shooting community would be a travesty.

He is not doing this for the good of the shooting sports community, he is doing this for himself over a hundred bucks...
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Yep, if all they wanted to do was confiscate the mags, count yourself lucky. Others who have done similar things have received criminal code charges.
 
elimsprint said:
Nobody does including those chuckleheads in the RCMP that prohibited the BX-25 in the first place, or are you telling us you do?
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Yes, I do. So do the people that decided the BX-25 is a prohibited device. It was designed and manufactured for a rimfire pistol and a rimfire rifle, so the more restrictive limit of 10 rounds for a pistol magazine applies. This has already been covered in detail with other rulings. If a magazine is designed and manufactured for multiple firearms, the more restrictive limit on capacity applies. I've seen nothing to suggest the BX-25x2 is anything but a repackaged BX-25, so it follows that the BX-25x2 is still a pistol magazine under the law.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Yes, I do. So do the people that decided the BX-25 is a prohibited device. It was designed and manufactured for a rimfire pistol and a rimfire rifle, so the more restrictive limit of 10 rounds for a pistol magazine applies. This has already been covered in detail with other rulings. If a magazine is designed and manufactured for multiple firearms, the more restrictive limit on capacity applies. I've seen nothing to suggest the BX-25x2 is anything but a repackaged BX-25, so it follows that the BX-25x2 is still a pistol magazine under the law.
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Ruger bx25 x2 is nothing more than two ruger bx 25 pinned together. Both are manufactured by ruger. I thought I seen bx25x2 listed by a sponser in the past ,but then removed because of legal issues.
 
I was pointing out the number of firearm in both situations didn't stop them from pushing forward.

elimsprint said:
Obviously they did as they put a stop to that stupidity I believe.
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Dont count your chickens before they hatch.

elimsprint said:
Actually I think they did stop the LGR so "yes" is my final answer.
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It was not the number of firearms that brought a end to the LGR.
 
Remmy700 said:
I was pointing out the number of firearm in both situations didn't stop them from pushing forward.
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Yep, and the only thing that stopped it from progressing any further was our reaction to the ban and a swift amnesty pushed through parliament. The RCMP had nothing to do with stopping confiscation. It's not over yet as the firearms are still prohibited.
 
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