If you want to stick to iron sights, you would be just as well off to get a .30-06. Any of the .300 magnums only have a significant improvement in trajectory at distances beyond which most people can shoot effectively with the open sights typically found on sporting rifles.
Ruger M77 or Remington 700 BDL
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From my experience over the last couple years Ruger can keep their rings/bases.
westcoaster
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I would echo what some others have said in that the quality on newer Remington's is in question.
I think the Ruger 77 is a well made and well finished rifle. I base that view on what people I know who have Ruger's say about them.
Based on my own actual experience with CZ 550's and Model 70's I think they are very good rifles. The CZ comes with a very serviceable iron sight set up.
Without getting into too much ballistic gack the .338 win mag makes a bigger wound channel with a heavier bullet than a 300wm. I have yet to find the moose, elk, or black bear that has stopped a 338wm bullet, all through and throughs. The difference in drop between the two is not meaingful. The difference in recoil between the two is not meaningful. I have found both cartrideges to be very accurate. Although accuracy, in my opinion, is more a function of the rifle and the shooter than this gabble about a "cartridges inherent accuracy".
Advantage - 338wm.
Ardent
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Its may be look strange but I'm interested in a rifle with iron sights and the only 70 with iron sights is the Safari model chambered in .375 H&H, .458 Win mag and .416 Rem mag, that's a gun for guys with an inferiority complex
Nope, that's a gun for people that hunt stuff bigger than moose and deer. As for Ruger vs. Remington, the quality gap between the two is drastic, go Ruger no question. Ruger and Winchester are the two best values going, and both are CRF, a nice bonus.
Ardent
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Funny, I've had more than 20 Rugers this decade, and none have had a ring/base issue, and I've used those rings hard in a good few places on this planet with a lot more jostling then most deer rifles see. You have bad luck with guns perhaps.
I have Ruger 77 Hawkeye in 35 Whelen and a Remington 700 CDL in 35 Whelen. The Ruger I got new and Remington used so I can't say how old it is. Each has +'s and -'s. The Ruger is stainless has 12" twist but only a 22" barrel. The Remington is blued with a beautiful walnut stock, a 16" twist and a 24" barrel. Both shoot exactly the same with about an 18" drop at 300 yds when zero'd at 100. I've had no quality issues from either rifle. If I had to give one up tomorrow I'm not sure which I would part with.
muzzle blast and noise from a 23" instead of 26" ..... im shooting a 20" 375 ruger and never noticed that muzzle blast nor noise. i have had a 300 win mag with a 20" and it was not too as you described.
tell us your experiences about that.
id choose too the african 300 win mag.
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- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
If you're just going with iron sights, then get a CZ with a european stock. The angle of the comb brings the iron sights into perfect alignment. WAAAY better than what a ruger or rem would do.
CZ's are super nice guns too. Definately the way you should go.
But then again, if you're shooting with irons, then do you really need a magnum? A 30-06 would do you just fine for the ranges you'll be shooting.
CZ's are super nice guns too. Definately the way you should go.
But then again, if you're shooting with irons, then do you really need a magnum? A 30-06 would do you just fine for the ranges you'll be shooting.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
If you are looking for a general purpose big game rifle the .300 magnum is a good choice, and the Ruger eclipses the Remington IMHO. If you were building a match rifle, I would have chosen the Remington. CZ has much to offer as well.
If you want to shoot with irons, I would get a good ghost ring for the rifle you prefer. NECG's, pictured below, is excellent although you have to drill out the aperture. A higher front sight will be required, and an XS post of appropriate height can be had for either the Ruger or CZ barrel band front sight base.
If you want to shoot with irons, I would get a good ghost ring for the rifle you prefer. NECG's, pictured below, is excellent although you have to drill out the aperture. A higher front sight will be required, and an XS post of appropriate height can be had for either the Ruger or CZ barrel band front sight base.
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- Chilliwack
CZ 550 Rifle Without rings $100 - $200
Set of rings and basses $100 -$200 ( depending on set)
$100-$200 more becomes $300 - $400
Did not say rings and basses $300 - $400
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- Chilliwack
I have found IMHO that the 300's I have shot kick harder then most of the 338's I have owned and shot. I think going for a magnum rifle the bigger heavier bullet give you a more all around rifle/cartridge.
Just my opinion.
I'd go Ruger or Winchester, but I'd go 30-06,
I carried a 300 Win for 12 or 13 seasons and took about 15 head of game with it, none of which I couldn't have taken with a 30-06 or even a 308 Win.
Yesterday I shot a 30-06 and a 308 Norma(300 Win twin), both Pre'64 Model 70's, even at a half pound heavier the Norma definetly has more recoil. And you get very little for it out to 300 meters, drop of 165/168 TSX's was within an inch from both rifles.
Stick with a 24" 30-06, it's all the 30 caliber most of us need.
I carried a 300 Win for 12 or 13 seasons and took about 15 head of game with it, none of which I couldn't have taken with a 30-06 or even a 308 Win.
Yesterday I shot a 30-06 and a 308 Norma(300 Win twin), both Pre'64 Model 70's, even at a half pound heavier the Norma definetly has more recoil. And you get very little for it out to 300 meters, drop of 165/168 TSX's was within an inch from both rifles.
Stick with a 24" 30-06, it's all the 30 caliber most of us need.
Moose Masher
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I wish the NECG Ruger sight was built to the same configuration as the CZ sight.
