Ruger PC Carbine
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If it is a standard trigger lock use a thin screw driver and insert it along the edge where the two halves meet. You should be able to lift the spring steel part that engages the serrations that keep the two halves together. Probably not that best explanation but you should be able to figure it out. If you get lucky the lock will come apart in about 30 seconds.
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If you have a spare trigger lock, look at the mechanism. The common trigger locks have a serrated rack and a ratchet mechanism that slides along the rack to lock it. If you can pick at the ratchet, you can get it to release. One way is to rotate the lock so that you have better access to it. With a fine screwdriver you can flip the ratchet open and release its grip on the rack. I've done it at the range with a pen knife. There is some method that uses a fine string, like dental floss, but I've never tried it.
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Yeah, it's pretty terrible. My semi-auto shotguns have the safety behind the trigger shoe instead of forward of it. It's a little faster to engage the safety on the shotgun style, definitely. But both are inferior to AR style.
It requires you to break your grip and point of aim so is less safe
Just kinda a dated design you know what rifles have safety’s like that ... oold ones
I guess it depends on how long your fingers are, I have size large hands and can easily reach the cross bolt safety with my trigger finger while in a firing grip and aiming the gun. It does require the off hand to re- engage but that's not a very challenging movement to master.
My TNW Aero carbine has a cross-bolt safety. As with Canuck44 above, I don't really give it much thought. It's a feature I don't use, and insofar as I have thought about it, it was briefly considering disabling it such that it couldn't accidentally engage. It wouldn't be great if, for example, I wished to take a shot on game and the trigger did nothing because the safety got bumped. Guess I forgot to do that... so thanks for reminding me? That gives me one more thing to do tomorrow, figuring out a tidy way to lock the safety into the fire position without messing anything else up.
Before I got seriously into shooting back in 2011 (having skipped the years between 1979 and then) I picked up a used Gamo Center air pistol to mess around with. The lack of any sort of safety bothered me, primarily because I had become unfamiliar with gun handling in the decades away from shooting. I actually modified it quite a lot to make it into a better target pistol, and one thing I did was add a safety. Ended up disabling that a couple of months later when I carved a better grip for it, as I'd found I used the safety only briefly, before learning that my trigger finger was the best safety. Keeping it away from the trigger when I don't want to shoot actually works quite well.
With the Aero I go a step further. If I want to not shoot, I drop the magazine and work the bolt to extract the chambered round. Works every time. The firing pin can still click, but nothing goes *BANG*.
Before I got seriously into shooting back in 2011 (having skipped the years between 1979 and then) I picked up a used Gamo Center air pistol to mess around with. The lack of any sort of safety bothered me, primarily because I had become unfamiliar with gun handling in the decades away from shooting. I actually modified it quite a lot to make it into a better target pistol, and one thing I did was add a safety. Ended up disabling that a couple of months later when I carved a better grip for it, as I'd found I used the safety only briefly, before learning that my trigger finger was the best safety. Keeping it away from the trigger when I don't want to shoot actually works quite well.
With the Aero I go a step further. If I want to not shoot, I drop the magazine and work the bolt to extract the chambered round. Works every time. The firing pin can still click, but nothing goes *BANG*.
It’s less an issue for recreational shooting or plinking , casually firing from a stable position
Say somebody wants to use it for action shooting, and re engage the safety between moving
It’s a lot of time and a very deliberate somewhat wonky action
Say somebody wants to use it for action shooting, and re engage the safety between moving
It’s a lot of time and a very deliberate somewhat wonky action
Why would you engage the safety at an action shooting match while transitioning ? Finger off the trigger, muzzle in safe direction.
If they require you to engage the safety, what do they do on the pistol courses of fire for striker fired pistols ? A rifle is much safer transitioning then a pistol due to the two hand grip.
The only area I would be concerned about is putting the safety on before putting it in a dump barrel, but even there you don’t need a firing grip so can use your dominant hand.
Civilian action shooting doesn’t require you to put your rifle on safety before moving?
Interesting.. wasn’t aware of that.. tbh I assumed they would.
As to the striker fired pistols generally, I’ve seen something like that if your pistol has a safety you must engage it
Tangent Warning:
Years ago I was into IPSC and shot with a Colt 1911 .45. I was considerably younger than I am now.
First stage of the match was a simple run from a starting position - 5 yards - and then engage 3 targets from behind a demarcation line painted on the ground.
No big deal, except they decided the start position would be hard packed gravel and the end position would be grass - that was recently planted and was wet with a light misting of dew.
When I went to stop (at full speed) my feet went out from under me like a bad black and white movie of the past - my first inclination was not to go for the safety - but to put my right thumb between the slide and the hammer.
My left hand was coming up to support my right hand when I landed flat on my back. I had the foresight to split my legs apart like a V to keep the muzzle of the gun from sweeping my body as I was going down.
As my back hit the ground I became aware of two things simultaneously - the pain at the back of my head when it bounced off of the ground - and the pain in my groin as the bottom of the magazine made contact with Uncle Jim and the twins.
Luckily, the grassy area my head hit was pretty soft and the magazine had only "clipped" the family members in a glancing blow.
During this event both RO's were simultaneously moving toward me in an attempt to control the muzzle direction of the gun.
All I could think of as I had been flying in the air was "don't break 90 - don't break 90".
After my head and gun bounced off their respective areas of interest, I figured I didn't violate any rules - "yelled engaging targets" - which had the RO's step back - and was able to shoot the stage with my feet in the air - gun between my legs. Note - I had to use my non dominant eye as my dominant eye had teared up due to the family reunion. Turns out the relatives also make a decent rest when shooting reverse prone?
The head RO stated he thought he had to disqualify me. I asked him if I broke 90 degree rule - he said no - I asked him if I had stepped over the forward firing line - he said no.
I asked him did I take precautions when getting into my final firing position - both RO's said they were amazed that I had the presence to place my thumb between the slide and hammer when in mid air.
I asked them was my gun ever behind any part of my body - they said no. When I asked them if my rounds ever left the safety of the backstop due to my low angle of engagement - they said no.
When one RO said I did not have proper control of the gun while shooting I asked him what did I score - and then asked him to explain how I managed to get all A's, not take any penalties on the no-shoots, and not put any rounds into the "hard cover" by not having proper control of the gun. They decided it was a clean run and held up my score.
Comstock score wasn't the best due to the extra time needed to get into my firing position - and the time needed to clear my head before commencing firing. Stage was changed after my run for safety reasons.
My point is I train like my safety is broken and doesn't work - If I have time to engage it - great - if I don't it isn't a big deal as I always know where the muzzle is pointed and my trigger finder is straight along the stock (not shooting) or inside the trigger guard (shooting).
Muscle memory development when using any firearm is important - more so than any device primarily to keep lawyers at bay in this day and age.
If you have to think about keeping yourself safe - instead of doing it automatically - you are all ready behind the safety curve - and are playing catch-up.
This can only be done with extensive training.
YMMV
L
Years ago I was into IPSC and shot with a Colt 1911 .45. I was considerably younger than I am now.
First stage of the match was a simple run from a starting position - 5 yards - and then engage 3 targets from behind a demarcation line painted on the ground.
No big deal, except they decided the start position would be hard packed gravel and the end position would be grass - that was recently planted and was wet with a light misting of dew.
When I went to stop (at full speed) my feet went out from under me like a bad black and white movie of the past - my first inclination was not to go for the safety - but to put my right thumb between the slide and the hammer.
My left hand was coming up to support my right hand when I landed flat on my back. I had the foresight to split my legs apart like a V to keep the muzzle of the gun from sweeping my body as I was going down.
As my back hit the ground I became aware of two things simultaneously - the pain at the back of my head when it bounced off of the ground - and the pain in my groin as the bottom of the magazine made contact with Uncle Jim and the twins.
Luckily, the grassy area my head hit was pretty soft and the magazine had only "clipped" the family members in a glancing blow.
During this event both RO's were simultaneously moving toward me in an attempt to control the muzzle direction of the gun.
All I could think of as I had been flying in the air was "don't break 90 - don't break 90".
After my head and gun bounced off their respective areas of interest, I figured I didn't violate any rules - "yelled engaging targets" - which had the RO's step back - and was able to shoot the stage with my feet in the air - gun between my legs. Note - I had to use my non dominant eye as my dominant eye had teared up due to the family reunion. Turns out the relatives also make a decent rest when shooting reverse prone?
The head RO stated he thought he had to disqualify me. I asked him if I broke 90 degree rule - he said no - I asked him if I had stepped over the forward firing line - he said no.
I asked him did I take precautions when getting into my final firing position - both RO's said they were amazed that I had the presence to place my thumb between the slide and hammer when in mid air.
I asked them was my gun ever behind any part of my body - they said no. When I asked them if my rounds ever left the safety of the backstop due to my low angle of engagement - they said no.
When one RO said I did not have proper control of the gun while shooting I asked him what did I score - and then asked him to explain how I managed to get all A's, not take any penalties on the no-shoots, and not put any rounds into the "hard cover" by not having proper control of the gun. They decided it was a clean run and held up my score.
Comstock score wasn't the best due to the extra time needed to get into my firing position - and the time needed to clear my head before commencing firing. Stage was changed after my run for safety reasons.
My point is I train like my safety is broken and doesn't work - If I have time to engage it - great - if I don't it isn't a big deal as I always know where the muzzle is pointed and my trigger finder is straight along the stock (not shooting) or inside the trigger guard (shooting).
Muscle memory development when using any firearm is important - more so than any device primarily to keep lawyers at bay in this day and age.
If you have to think about keeping yourself safe - instead of doing it automatically - you are all ready behind the safety curve - and are playing catch-up.
This can only be done with extensive training.
YMMV
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That wasn't muscle memory; I don't think you practiced falling on your ass over and over until you automatically interposed your thumb under the hammer without conscious thought. That was just plain clear thinking and reacting calmly under pressure. Nicely done!
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