Thanks for that. I know I've heard Ian and other Youtuber experts on firearms history frequently mentioning a gun's failure to lock open on an empty mag, whether it's a wear/breakage issue, or a design decision by the manufacturer. It's really quite common to have this feature, where the lower edge of the bolt or bolt carrier or some appendage grabs the back of the follower after the last shot and stays open. Some firearms will then drop the bolt on pulling the empty mag - a secondary feature built separately from the BHO - or stay open due to a secondary feature which takes advantage of the follower being used for BHO to set into place, the bolt then being cycled a bit further back, or a bolt release being pressed, to release and chamber the first round from a newly inserted mag. It's not a rimfire thing, it's design decision on any number of calibres.
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Thanks for that. I know I've heard Ian and other Youtuber experts on firearms history frequently mentioning a gun's failure to lock open on an empty mag, whether it's a wear/breakage issue, or a design decision by the manufacturer. It's really quite common to have this feature, where the lower edge of the bolt or bolt carrier or some appendage grabs the back of the follower after the last shot and stays open. Some firearms will then drop the bolt on pulling the empty mag - a secondary feature built separately from the BHO - or stay open due to a secondary feature which takes advantage of the follower being used for BHO to set into place, the bolt then being cycled a bit further back, or a bolt release being pressed, to release and chamber the first round from a newly inserted mag. It's not a rimfire thing, it's design decision on any number of calibres.
Geraldsampa when shooting competitions the lock back feature speeds up reloads. Since PCC competition scoring involves both accuracy and speed I can asure you the reloading process is significantly faster when doing so from a locked back bolt when the gun is empty vs the need to rack the slide to recharge the gun.
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Bob
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I notice some carbines say "Do not use aluminum case ammo".
I have been reloading some once-fired aluminum cases. I find they can be reloaded once. Makes for good anno to use in the snow or tall grass, where recovering the fired cases is difficult.
Anyway, I have had a few cases strip the extractor rim in my press. The rim is not very strong. In a blowback action, the extraction stroke can be more violent than a locked action, so the rim might rip off. This is why they say not to use it.
Not a big deal. Just poke the case out with a cleaning rod. Unless you are in a match. then it would be a big deal.
I have been reloading some once-fired aluminum cases. I find they can be reloaded once. Makes for good anno to use in the snow or tall grass, where recovering the fired cases is difficult.
Anyway, I have had a few cases strip the extractor rim in my press. The rim is not very strong. In a blowback action, the extraction stroke can be more violent than a locked action, so the rim might rip off. This is why they say not to use it.
Not a big deal. Just poke the case out with a cleaning rod. Unless you are in a match. then it would be a big deal.
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I'd rather have 1 ruger than 2 fx9
I have one of each. You don't shoot any of the action shooting sports. If you did, you might have a different opinion. Other than ergonomics there is not much daylight between them. Both guns operate the same. Both are accurate and dead nuts reliable. I can understand your point though 1 Rugervnew today would cost you about $1,000 while two FX9's would cost you north of $2,900.
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I ran across a review of the FX9. The fellow who wrote it noted the fact that The bolt often will not lock back using Glock OEM and After Market mags. He simply stated the Glock mag springs are to light to operate the lever in the FX9. NOw am not saying this is a fix but I decided to test the fellows statement by stretching the springs on an OEM Glock 10 rd mag and see if the stretched spring would work. IT DID! The mag in it's original state would not lock the bolt back as new but after stretching the mag spring it did. I then proceeded to stretch all the springs on my other OEM and after market Glock mags I used in the gun. Now all of them lock the bolt back. I wasn't very scientific in the stretching other than I just went ahead and stretched the first one, when it worked I tried to do the same amount on each spring. The springs don't require a lot of stretching so use some common sense. You are on your on here.
I have no idea how long the stretched spring will work but I suspect they should be fine.
Someone mentioned S&W mags and their springs. S&W used the same spring in their 17 rd mags as they do for their 10 rounders. From their new compact down to their 17 round mags the spring is the same length. The metal mag body for the 10 rd mags we get up here is the same length as their new Compact model. The difference is lies in the length of the plastic base. When I discovered this aI bought several bases from S&W via my BIL and ended up with some extra mags that fit flush to my Compact grip. The reason the 10 rounders are so darn hard to load is because the spring bottoms out on the longer plastic base pad of the 10 rd magazine. The 17 rd mags do not have an issue with loading the 17 rds.
My solution to make the 10 rd mags load easier was to grind down the legs of the follower which gives the spring a little more room to compress in.
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Bob
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Bob
I have no idea how long the stretched spring will work but I suspect they should be fine.
Someone mentioned S&W mags and their springs. S&W used the same spring in their 17 rd mags as they do for their 10 rounders. From their new compact down to their 17 round mags the spring is the same length. The metal mag body for the 10 rd mags we get up here is the same length as their new Compact model. The difference is lies in the length of the plastic base. When I discovered this aI bought several bases from S&W via my BIL and ended up with some extra mags that fit flush to my Compact grip. The reason the 10 rounders are so darn hard to load is because the spring bottoms out on the longer plastic base pad of the 10 rd magazine. The 17 rd mags do not have an issue with loading the 17 rds.
My solution to make the 10 rd mags load easier was to grind down the legs of the follower which gives the spring a little more room to compress in.
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Bob
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Bob
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^ Stretching spring won’t hold for very long. They’ll always revert to their used, set tension. Stretching them will actually make them worse in the long run. New springs are in order at that point. Not sure if you can find extra power springs and dedicate half a dozen mags to the PC9.
Indeed. With steel alloy springs you're actually fatiguing the spring wire far more by stretching it significantly, once, than you would by hundreds of loading and shooting cycles. Introducing micro-fractures in the bends actually, if you go too far. If you really need more 'push' from a given spring, you're better off shimming behind it, or just replacing the spring if that's not out of line with your budget.
Kinda was my fear, but if they last for a few years it will not matter much to me. I am going to do some searching hing and see where I can get e,tra strength springs. I doubt I'll notice much deteriation in the short term. The problem with shimming is the spring runs out of travel before you add enough extra tension. I'll try some wood shims in one of my mags. Might work with 10/32:mag where any loss of mag capacity would still allow for 10 rounds to be loaded.
Brownells and afew others sell extra power springs for Glock mags and they are not particularly expensive.
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Brownells and afew others sell extra power springs for Glock mags and they are not particularly expensive.
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Bob.
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Well it didn't work as well as I had hoped. While the 10/33 mags did work the G19 mags only worked at the house. When actually firing a last round the mags failed to hold the slide back. I have ordered Wolf +10% Glock Springs on the hopes that will solve the problem.
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Bob
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2CentTactical
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Sorry it didn't work out - Sounds like your idea of increasing the mag spring strength will work. It would be great if you didn't have to, though.
Has anyone tried to improve the function of the bolt hold open mechanism? There are a few moving parts in there, seems like a guy could clean, polish and lube. Maybe that would reduce drag enough that standard mag springs will work.
2Cent's link above is worth clicking through to, good find. (bolt torque was causing the same issue)
OK, just an update. I have concluded Glock springs are to light for carbine use. I cut some polymer pipe into 1 inch lengths and used them as mag plugs. I lost about 6 rd capacity in the 33 rd mags in doing so. All three mags locked the bolt back on my FX9. I am going to cut some more plugs at 3/4 anf 1/2" lengths to see if the mags will continue to work with slightly shorter plugs. This will reduce the loss in capacity of the mags. I use these mags unrestricted when shooting in the US. I have ordered stronger springs from Wolf for my G19 10 rd mags so they will work as well. The Glock springs work well enough in Glock pistols but no so much in carbines. The fault lies with the mag springs not the gun. Ganderite is having the same issues with is Ruger as I am with my FX9.
I recently bought a used Ruger PCC. It came with two Ruger mags so with this Ruger I will just use the Ruger mags. I need a couple more so if anyone has a Ruger mag that came with the gun and wants to sell it. Send me a PM.
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Bob
I recently bought a used Ruger PCC. It came with two Ruger mags so with this Ruger I will just use the Ruger mags. I need a couple more so if anyone has a Ruger mag that came with the gun and wants to sell it. Send me a PM.
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i just got my PAL and im considering this as my first gun
im still debating whether i should use glock mag since i read that some dont fit properly. ruger mags also seem to be sold out.
anyone got experience using Magpul MAG801 on the newest model of the Ruger PCC (19125)?
https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/magpul-gl9-pmag10-glock-17--9mm-10-round-mag801-.html
https://www.gotenda.com/product/magpul-gl9-pmag-g1719x-magazine-9mm-101/
im still debating whether i should use glock mag since i read that some dont fit properly. ruger mags also seem to be sold out.
anyone got experience using Magpul MAG801 on the newest model of the Ruger PCC (19125)?
https://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/magpul-gl9-pmag10-glock-17--9mm-10-round-mag801-.html
https://www.gotenda.com/product/magpul-gl9-pmag-g1719x-magazine-9mm-101/
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i dont have any OEM glock mags, looking at the prices its $45 each. if i were to get 3 mags that would be $135
ruger mags are $60 each. if i were to buy 2 more to go with the one included, that would still be cheaper at $120. maybe i'll just stick with ruger mags if stores restock them.
cost breakeven point seems to be at 4 mags. will i even need 4 mags??? the PCC will be my first gun, looking at just using it at a indoor range.
ruger mags are $60 each. if i were to buy 2 more to go with the one included, that would still be cheaper at $120. maybe i'll just stick with ruger mags if stores restock them.
cost breakeven point seems to be at 4 mags. will i even need 4 mags??? the PCC will be my first gun, looking at just using it at a indoor range.
I haven’t heard anything about OEM Glock mags not fitting in the Ruger PC Carbine. Have heard some cases about them not working perfectly with the last round bolt hood open.
Magpul mags work fantastically in my experience, cheap and good would not hesitate to buy those.
On mine I kept it with the Ruger mag set up and bought a couple extra sr9 mags. It has been 100% reliable. I do have Glock mags but really did not see any advantage of going that way. I would say either way you will be happy. I put a vortex red dot on mine and it gongs 6” steel plates at 100 yards comsitantly.
