So a Lee Enfield or M14 action will net the same results. Good to know.
Ruger Precision Rifle
- Thread starter Jayph
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False and misleading. A factory action can only be trued to a certain point.
The defiance's, surgeon's, etc. are a bunch more consistently accurate, especially on 2nd, 3rd loads with neck sized cases.
You start to split hairs when comparing a defiant, surgeon or bat though.
Glock4ever
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What does "trued to a certain point" mean? Either it is trued or not. A particular action design may be inherently more accurate (i.e. repeater vs single shot bolt action) but a trued remington should be very competitive. If you are saying that the Remington 700 design may be inherently less accurate than a Surgeon, BAT, etc, I am not sure that statement is true but it may be possible. A lot of competitors have won with trued Remingon 700 actions.
I was speaking to just bolt action rifles, which admittedly isn't obvious in my post. I apologize for the confusion.
Please note that I mentioned that a trued factory action has the same accuracy potential of a custom action. Of course this depends on the quality of the gunsmith, but there are many good ones (speaking mostly to the U.S., as that is where all my rifles are built) that can build extremely accurate rifles off of Remington 700 actions.
I have two high end customs, one made using a Defiance action (GAP) and the other using a tuned Remington 700 action (Tactical Operations). Both are extremely accurate. I don't hold a bias either way, going either route has its merits. My only point is that you can get just as accurate of a rifle built off of a factory action as you can a custom, if done right.
I bet my Tactical Operations with the Remington 700 action is just as accurate as anyone's rifle here on CGN built off of a custom action. Any one of you is free to shoot my rifle if you are ever in the Houston area, feel free to shoot me a PM and I will meet you at the range.
TacOps, GAP, SAC, LRI, Louisiana Precision, Crescent Customs, Gradous, etc. have all built extremely accurate rifles off of Remington 700 actions. It's not voodoo magic. Just takes more work to get it there.
But hey, if you don't believe, call any of the smiths above and ask them.
Glock4ever
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I haven't taken my RPR out yet. I have mounted a Leupold Mk4 3.5-10x40mm TMR FFP scope on it and I am going to brew up some rounds and hopefully hit the range soon. I haven't noticed some of the issues that others have with their RPR (loose safeties). Hopefully I can add to the thread soon with some targets. I will likely try 155 Scenars and 175 VLDs.
I really want to go get mine out again after making some adjustments to a few problem areas. I am expecting much better performance than last time. I also changed the grip and what a world of difference over that narrow factory slippery thing. The comfort level improved ten fold for me (large hands) wife (small hands) and father (avg hands) All agreed it was a worth while upgrade.
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I had my .308 RPR to the range today. My 300 yard group measured about 1.25" vertical by 2.25" horizontal in a 25km variable crosswind from 10:00.
Pictures...?
Ugh I can't stand ergo grips... I guess I have small hands? But the palm swell with the finger grooves makes it extremely uncomfortable. Might be different if I didn't switch to magpul k2plus, but I like smooth grips.
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I'd like to have that explained also . I was talking to one of the Chou brothers and he stated that I could do a lot better than a rem 700 action that I was planning on buying. Something about a custom action would have more accuracy potential because of tighter ? tolerances etc.
Can't quite recall the whole conversation but I got the impression he knew what he was talking about. Anyway I ordered a better action. Or so I hope
Some actions have more room for threads, so more of the barrel is screwed in and engaged; this is a good thing. I'm no expert, but I'd think the barrel would be held on better, and you could have a heavier barrel as it would be held better. A trued rem 700, depending on who's truing it, will shoot great. But when compared to a one piece surgeon or defiance, there are less variables and each of the high end actions have things like heat treating applied at uneconomical times for mass produced actions, introduced to minimize warping.
I've owned two rem 700 actions that were trued and rebarreled. Both shot the lights out. I've also owned a savage 110 hcp that shot great as well. I was even tempted to buy a norinco m14 and screw a Krieger barrel on to see how well it shoots. The barrel and ammo are the most critical for accuracy. Free float is a given. Then its how well the action is screwed into place. If it is tight, and does not move under recoil (bedding helps this), then the rifle is consistent.
