Ruger SR9 for IPSC

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My wife just bought a Ruger SR9, and it looks like one of the first things we're going to have to do is disarm the magazine disconnector for the IPSC Black Badge course she will be taking. This will enable the gun to fired downrange after clearing, as required before holstering.

It is possible to fire it on an empty chamber without the mag, but apparently that causes damage to the striker and would invalidate the warranty. Other than that, she would have to insert an empty mag in order to meet requirements - or a loaded mag! That would probably cause an issue ..... and no one is going to carry an empty $50 mag just to prove the gun empty.

It's an easy 'fix' to remove the mag safety with several youtube videos covering the topic. It's redundant, in that the SR9 has a trigger safety similar to the Glock's. Springs are available to lessen the trigger pull, if necessary, but on Brian Enos's web site, he claims removal of the mag disconnect lessens the trigger pull.

Apparently, the IDPA has decreed that the SR9 with mag disconnector removed is allowable as it is NOT a safety per se, and the gun is equipped with an ambi safety as well.

Would any IPSC shooters or BB instructors care to voice an opinion?
 
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Your wife can start the load and make ready proceedure with a single round in one magazine as a stripper mag and put a full magazine in after and then keep that empty mag in a pocket untill the end of the course of fire for the unload proceedure. Or another option is when she gets to the end of a course of fire she can safety her pistol remove the mag and holster the pistol and shuck the remaining rounds out of the mag so she has an empty one. It is a lot less bother than it sounds and it does not slow down a match or the course for that matter.
I am only speaking as a BB instructor for 16 years and the Training Coordinator for IPSC Ontario.
Pleas feel free toPM me if you have any other questions.
 
good to hear that we are allowed in IDPA to remove the mag disconnect on this pistol, as I have one paid for and waiting on statt. I will be competing in IDPA.

thank you for posting this
 
The idea of shucking out all the remaining rounds in a mag or keeping a mag unloaded for the sake of doing an "unload & show clear" is ludicrous. It is anal attitudes like this that drive reasonable people away. What is that less than flattering interpretation of IPSC?

I want my wife to have the benefit of the safe gun handling she'll get from the BB course, but I can predict her reaction to a policy like this - "Are you frickin' serious?"

Her gun will have the mag disconnect removed, and if she never gets to fire it in a sanctioned IPSC match, it won't keep her awake nights. But the sport will have lost a potential competitor; a lose-lose scenario.

This may be a redundant discussion. Way back when Jeff Cooper was King and the .45 was his sceptre, I shot into 'A' class with a brace of 9mm Brownings. The FIRST thing we did with them was to remove the mag disconnector! This was SOP and within the rules at the time.
 
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Never said it was policy just another possible solution,you can also go to the ipsc website and check the omnline version of the rulebook if you want to but we wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions:)
 
Sharps '63 said:
The idea of shucking out all the remaining rounds in a mag or keeping a mag unloaded for the sake of doing an "unload & show clear" is ludicrous. It is anal attitudes like this that drive reasonable people away. What is that less than flattering interpretation of IPSC?

I want my wife to have the benefit of the safe gun handling she'll get from the BB course, but I can predict her reaction to a policy like this - "Are you frickin' serious?"

Her gun will have the mag disconnect removed, and if she never gets to fire it in a sanctioned IPSC match, it won't keep her awake nights. But the sport will have lost a potential competitor; a lose-lose scenario.

This may be a redundant discussion. Way back when Jeff Cooper was King and the .45 was his sceptre, I shot into 'A' class with a brace of 9mm Brownings. The FIRST thing we did with them was to remove the mag disconnector! This was SOP and within the rules at the time.
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Yes, safety rules within IPSC are rediculous. We should all be able to do whatever we want.
Hope your wife enjoys the BB course and starts shooting IPSC, you on the other hand sound like you would enjoy sitting at home and #####ing.
 
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Never said it was policy just another possible solution,you can also go to the ipsc website and check the omnline version of the rulebook if you want to but we wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions:)
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I can't find a rule disallowing removal of the magazine disconnect.

Could you point me in the right direction so I can see for myself :)

John
 
John_in_BC said:
good to hear that we are allowed in IDPA to remove the mag disconnect on this pistol, as I have one paid for and waiting on statt. I will be competing in IDPA.

thank you for posting this
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John where have you been? The decision was made last spring, finally to allow the removal. I would have thought the sound of mag disconects hitting the garbage cans would have kept you awake at nights. Denis spent a week running around with pen springs in his truck.

From the Global Village and Uncle Vince:

"Ryan Best, on 24 April 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:
If I bypass the magazine disconnect so I can de-#### the striker with mag removed as other models of this gun do, will it be legal for production still?

Answer:


"Yes, because S&W offer their M&P Series with or without the magazine disconnector."

Does Ruger offer the gun without a mag disconnect? If so it seems me me logic would say the removal would be legal, if not, nope.
There is a thread pn the Global Village about this. Vince says you cannot remove a safety device. He also says if the gun is made with and wthout the devce guns with the device can have the device removed.


Take Care


Bob
 
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John in B.C. said:
I can't find a rule disallowing removal of the magazine disconnect.

Could you point me in the right direction so I can see for myself :)

John
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I'm going to make the assumption we're talking about Production since you quoted mrclean. Forgive me if the reply was about IDPA.

I'm going to take a stab at D4 16.1

Removing a mag safety isn't minor detailing.

Just a guess...
 
Hmmmmm.....weird ruling.

Can't remove a magazine disconnect but we are allowed to pin a grip safety.

Sometimes the rules don't make a lot of sense to me.

Oh well......don't sweat the little things :)

John
 
Well, I got the usual smart a$$ answers to a logical question .... as well as some intelligent comment. Thanks for that, and the others - yuck it up!

Some obviously don't remember when it was SOP in IPSC to remove the mag safety from the Browning Hi-Power to get a better trigger pull. That made the gun as safe as a Series '70 with a pinned grip safety, something Browning didn't think worth incorporating into the Hi-Power. Neither did Jeff Cooper, but what the hell did they know .... ?

My wife won't be enjoying IPSC beyond the club level, if that. She simply wants to become as competent with a semi-auto as she is with her SA CAS revolvers.
 
Yes, but that dates back to when there were no Divisions and technically everything was "Open"
Any and all mods were allowed.
She can still shoot that way, a disabled mag safety may not be allowed in Production but it is allowed in Standard and Open. And it's no less competitive than the BHP would have been back in the day. You'd still be shooting minor against major guns.
 
john simmons said:
Yes, safety rules within IPSC are rediculous. We should all be able to do whatever we want.
Hope your wife enjoys the BB course and starts shooting IPSC, you on the other hand sound like you would enjoy sitting at home and #####ing.
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Marketing obviously is not your strong suit.

Take Care

Bob
 
if you wanted real answers from people that actually compete - should've posted this in the action games forum... also if you are looking for 100% serious/no nonsense replies to any and all queries - you are on the wrong board :)

lastly if the said rule bothers you so, you could just say your shooting standard or open where you can mod the rig to your hearts' content...

ps: the division rules were made to safeguard you against those with unlimited wallets and not to 'keep you down with silly rules'
 
mshundal

You're right - I shoulda knowed better than to ask the question on this forum, and not the Action Games list; and I regret asking the question at all. However, it served to show that the IPSC attitude is alive and well in some. It's why I left the sport many years ago.
Whatever ruling or class my wife and her gun are covered by is moot, as she will not put up with any such crap in what is supposed to be a game - from anyone, including me. That's why I married her. She'll get her training, be better for it and have fun - at any level of competition.

mshundal said:
if you wanted real answers from people that actually compete - should've posted this in the action games forum... also if you are looking for 100% serious/no nonsense replies to any and all queries - you are on the wrong board :)

lastly if the said rule bothers you so, you could just say your shooting standard or open where you can mod the rig to your hearts' content...

ps: the division rules were made to safeguard you against those with unlimited wallets and not to 'keep you down with silly rules'
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Sharps '63 said:
mshundal

You're right - I shoulda knowed better than to ask the question on this forum, and not the Action Games list; and I regret asking the question at all. However, it served to show that the IPSC attitude is alive and well in some. It's why I left the sport many years ago.
Whatever ruling or class my wife and her gun are covered by is moot, as she will not put up with any such crap in what is supposed to be a game - from anyone, including me. That's why I married her. She'll get her training, be better for it and have fun - at any level of competition.
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thats too bad man but its your choice - good luck and have fun blasting, where ever it is that you end up doing it :)

as per the IPSC attitude, no replies here were offensive or were given with the intent to cause offence (at least IMHO). even so, to judge the sport by the perceived attitudes of a few would be akin to judging you based on your name/province/race etc (not right in other words).

we do a lot of things with a loaded firearm that would not be possible (or atleast legal) outside of the sport and as such (and understandably) safety rules are a big concern. also back in the day of cooper and his 45, the rigs were nowhere near as advanced. if the divisions (and their applicable rules) did not exist, you really think he could hold his own against the open rigs in use today? the production division exists so ANYONE can take their stock factory rig to the match and know that no other person in that division will have an unfair advantage over them.

a little long winded i know but see too many people bashing IPSC who say they 'used to' compete but quit' or 'will not compete because of x, y, or z grievance'. to that i just have to say 'sour grapes eh?'. if you really think you are better than us and our silly little rules designed to provide for our safety and ensure fair play, come prove it at a match :)
 
Well said mshundal. I find the ones that complain about the "IPSC attitude" are usually the ones that suffer from poor attitude. Witness the OP's reaction to the helpful suggestion made by the IPSC Ontario Co-ordinator. Instead of saying thanks for the help, but I'd rather disconnect the mag safety, he turns on the BB Co-ord calling his suggestion "anal" and "ludicrous"
The IPSC shooters I have met from all around the planet are the nicest and most helpful shooters I know, someone that has an issue with them probably needs to look at themselves as the source of the problem.
 
Thanks, gentlemen. Really appreciate the helpful information and insightful comments. I'll engage in some navel gazing later .....

As for Cooper, he wasn't playing games, he was teaching people how to prevail in a gun fight. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I believe he once said:

"Shooting as conducted by the IPSC is to gun fighting what fencing is to sword fighting.", or words to that effect. When IPSC morphed into whatever it is today, he asked that his name be disassociated with it.
 
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