Russian 303 brass

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Got a bunch of mixed 303 brass from my dad the other day. usual suspects were there, but among them were 20 pieces of russian stamped brass. primers sealed with red and green. these may have been fired before i was born. anyway, was depriving the batch and put a red primer case in. seemed stiff but then it snapped off the depriving pin. anyone have any experience with these russian cases? the green ones deprived easily, as well as all the other cases. I'm going to try a hydraulic deprime to see if these are similar to 7.62 x 39.
anyone know where i can get a replacement deprime pin for a lee sizing die?
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If you deprime them using one of the Berdan depriming methods (various tutorials online) and measure the diameter of the primers you may be able to find one that matches. There's less standardization with Berdan primers than with boxer so you need measurements and to find some of the same size. Generally it isn't worth it since boxer .303 brass is so easy to find. I toss all Berdan primed brass into my scrap bucket.
 
I re-load Berdan cases only for calibers I cannot find Boxer primed cases. 8x60R, for example.

It is a pain and not worth it if there is an alternative.

Most of us have broken a pin on the occasional Berdan case that slips through the initial inspection.

Look down inside the case. Instead of a big central flash ole (where your decapper pin goes) you will see 2 tiny little flash holes. This means it is a Berdan primed case and should probably go in the garbage.

Berdan was an American and he designed a superb primer. Better for military reliability and super accurate ammo than the foreign Boxer primer. But Boxer is easy to reload.
 
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The identifying feature of centerfire ammunition is the primer which is a metal cup containing a primary explosive inserted into a recess in the center of the base of the cartridge. The firearm firing pin crushes this explosive between the cup and an anvil to produce hot gas and a shower of incandescent particles to ignite the powder charge.[7] Berdan and Boxer cartridge primers are both considered "centerfire" and are not interchangeable at the primer level; however, the same weapon can fire either Berdan- or Boxer-primed cartridges if the overall dimensions are the same.[8]
The two primer types are almost impossible to distinguish by looking at the loaded cartridge, though the two flash-holes can be seen inside a fired Berdan case and the larger single hole seen or felt inside a fired Boxer case. Berdan priming is less expensive to manufacture and is much more common in military-surplus ammunition made outside the United States.

Berdan primer
Berdan primers are named after their American inventor, Hiram Berdan of New York who invented his first variation of the Berdan primer and patented it on March 20, 1866, in U.S. Patent 53,388. A small copper cylinder formed the shell of the cartridge, and the primer cap was pressed into a recess in the outside of the closed end of the cartridge opposite the bullet. In the end of the cartridge beneath the primer cap was a small vent-hole, as well as a small teat-like projection or point (later to be known as an anvil) fashioned from the case, such that the firing pin could crush the primer against the anvil and ignite the propellant. This system worked well, allowing the option of installing a cap just before use of the propellant-loaded cartridge as well as permitting reloading the cartridge for reuse.

Difficulties arose in practice because pressing in the cap from the outside tended to cause a swelling of the copper cartridge shell, preventing reliable seating of the cartridge in the chamber of the firearm. Berdan's solution was to change to brass shells, and to further modify the process of installing the primer cap into the cartridge, as noted in his second Berdan Primer patent of September 29, 1868, in U.S. Patent 82,587. Berdan primers have remained essentially the same functionally to the present day.

Berdan primers are similar to the caps used in the caplock system, being small metal cups with pressure-sensitive explosive in them. Modern Berdan primers are pressed into the "primer pocket" of a Berdan-type cartridge case, where they fit slightly below flush with the base of the case. Inside the primer pocket is a small bump, the "anvil", that rests against the center of the cup, and two small holes (one on either side of the anvil) that allow flash from the primer to reach the interior of the case. Berdan cases are reusable, although the process is rather involved. The used primer must be removed, usually by hydraulic pressure or a pincer or lever that pulls the primer out of the bottom. A new primer is carefully seated against the anvil, and then powder and a bullet are added.

Boxer primer
Meanwhile, Colonel Edward Mounier Boxer, of the Royal Arsenal, Woolwich, England was working on a primer cap design for cartridges, patenting it in England on October 13, 1866, and subsequently received a U.S. patent for his design on June 29, 1869, in U.S. Patent 91,818.
Boxer primers are similar to Berdan primers with one major difference: the location of the anvil. In a Boxer primer, the anvil is a separate stirrup piece that sits inverted in the primer cup providing sufficient resistance to the impact of the firing pin as it indents the cup and crushes the pressure-sensitive ignition compound. The primer pocket in the case head has a single flash-hole in its center. This positioning makes little or no difference to the performance of the round, but it makes fired primers vastly easier to remove for re-loading, as a single, centered rod pushed through the flash hole from the open end of the case will eject the two-piece primer from the primer cup. A new primer, anvil included, is then pressed into the case using a reloading press or hand-tool. Boxer priming is universal for US-manufactured civilian factory ammunition.

Boxer-primed ammunition is slightly more complex to manufacture, since the primer is in two parts in addition to the pressure-sensitive compound, but automated machinery producing primers by the hundreds of millions has eliminated that as a practical problem. And while the primer is one step more complex to make, the cartridge case is simpler to make, use, and reload.
 
Just for information purposes new Prvi Partizan .303 British cases are in my opinion the best cases you can buy for your Enfield rifles.

Below both cases were fired in my 1942 No.4 Enfield rifle, the Prvi case has a larger base diameter and is .010 thicker in the base web area and thicker rims.


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Below the Remington case on the left has a rim thickness of .058 and the Prvi case on the right has a rim thickness of .062. Meaning .004 less room for the cases to stretch when fired.

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