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Deltasilver

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I bought a metal detector when I was a kid. Thought I was gonna get rich. This sure beats the s**t out of the pound of nails and cans I dug up before I traded the detector for a 10 speed.

I'm giving serious thought to cancelling the next couple years of BC fishing trips to fund a trip to Russia to see some of these sites.

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Watch the series - I think there are 8 videos total.

Quite the debate in the comments section about the propriety of the whole thing.
 
I think they pulled that Fw190 out of the swamp it was found in and restored in.

Still amazing you can find stuff like that in Russia. Scavenger hunt anyone ?
 
that german plane was found in the middle of nowhere in very deep/thick woods


if i remember correctly it was sold for BIG$$ to someone in england
 
TGC said:
Wonder if the pilot survived
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Damage doesn't look that bad. Some of the small bits have been removed but otherwise it looks intact. I guess it would depend on which side of the lines he came down on... Might have ended up like those poor buggers in Libya, wandering around an isolated stretch of forest until he froze.

Wouldn't the Germans have scrapped or recovered the aircraft if they had known where it was? Or the Russians have hauled it away?

http://www.qmfound.com/lady_be_good_b-24_bomber_recovery.htm
 
That aircraft wasn't just discovered that day judging by the cannibalized instruments & I wonder if it wasn't in storage for sometime before it was 'junked' there. Like maybe the 60's, 70's or even the 80's? That exterior fuselage looks to be in too good of shape to have weathered 65+ years outside... It would have probably been of no use to any citizen during the cold war as they probably couldn't have claimed it as their own anyhow.
I've seen some of their aircraft 'parked' on tar mat for a lot less time & it doesn't take long for them to start looking rough..
 
"That exterior fuselage looks to be in too good of shape to have weathered 65+ years outside... "

"B-29 -Frozen in Time" is a good example of how viable an aircraft can remain in extreme conditions. After 50 years they put it back on its wheels, changed the engines out, replaced the tail fabric and tires and almost flew it right off the lake it crashed on in the late 40's.

If I have it right the aircraft was recovered in Estonia a couple hundred miles from anywhere. It's in the middle of a miles wide tract of muskeg/swamp. I doubt they would have gone to that kind of effort to abandon one aircraft. If you're going to put it on a truck the wings have to come off...

An old find? Maybe. A LOT of illegal logging goes on in remote parts of the country. Easily accessable? I don't think so. The airframe would have been completely stripped of anything even remotely useful if the locals could get at it easily. Civilians scavenged with hand tools and torches to salvage what the army left behind after Kursk - and those were tank parts weighing tons, not easily moved aluminum aircraft parts.

Do you really think the Russians would have left the swastika/cross/squadron markings intact if it had been captured?
 
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bgcameron said:
Has anyone heard of the Halifax bomber that was pulled out of a lake in Norway?

http://airforcemuseum.ca/en/exhibits/the-story-of-halifax-na337-2p-x-part-1-of-5

The one survivor of the crash was the tail gunner. They found his thermos, still full of coffee with the wreckage and presented it to him at the unveiling ceremony.
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Yes, it is at the Royal Canadian Air Force Museum near CFB Trenton. I have seen it twice and as far as I remember, they were last rebuilding the original engines. That was almost 10 years ago so I am guessing they have progressed to the point where she is almost complete.
 
Deltasilver said:
"That exterior fuselage looks to be in too good of shape to have weathered 65+ years outside... "

"B-29 -Frozen in Time" is a good example of how viable an aircraft can remain in extreme conditions. After 50 years they put it back on its wheels, changed the engines out, replaced the tail fabric and tires and almost flew it right off the lake it crashed on in the late 40's.

If I have it right the aircraft was recovered in Estonia a couple hundred miles from anywhere. It's in the middle of a miles wide tract of muskeg/swamp. I doubt they would have gone to that kind of effort to abandon one aircraft. If you're going to put it on a truck the wings have to come off...

An old find? Maybe. A LOT of illegal logging goes on in remote parts of the country. Easily accessable? I don't think so. The airframe would have been completely stripped of anything even remotely useful if the locals could get at it easily. Civilians scavenged with hand tools and torches to salvage what the army left behind after Kursk - and those were tank parts weighing tons, not easily moved aluminum aircraft parts.

Do you really think the Russians would have left the swastika/cross/squadron markings intact if it had been captured?
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Others, yourself included, may know more on the history of this aircraft, as this was the 1st I'd heard of it. No clue where it was as well. Strictly skeptical as to it being left out in the environment (four seasons? Not one.)for this long & remaining in such good condition. Albeit not as good as I thought after watching the video a second time. I've seen Migs as well as other fighters parked & abandoned after the cold war that were left out in the 'cold' that deteriorated a lot faster over the span of time of their neglect.
I do agree that if civilians got a hold of it, it would have been scrapped, I was thinking military. Whether an old exercise or whatever is anyone's guess?
As for the swastika/ cross / squadron markings still being in that good of shape. That was my main point of skepticism. I'm no expert in archeology, maybe you are? Just find it hard to believe it sat there that long and survived that well... Could be wrong & it won't be 1st time either...;)
 
I visited that museum for the first time about 3 years ago when I was in Trenton on a course and was lucky enough to be given a personal tour by an ex-Halifax pilot who it turned out is also a DFC winner. At that time the plane was virtually complete and only missing some instruments and minor parts. It was amazing how small the aircraft is inside. You can touch both sides of the fuselage at the same time with your arms extended. I definitely felt privelaged to be able to see something that most people never will.
 
i remember watching a documentary about a p38 lightning that crash landed on a glacier and was buried under something like 50 feet of ice after it was left there for many years.a crew basically used steam machines to burrow down to it and strip the wings etc. off and raise it to the surface.one piece @ a time...
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
I've seen Migs as well as other fighters parked & abandoned after the cold war that were left out in the 'cold' that deteriorated a lot faster over the span of time of their neglect.
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You are comparing quality German engineered and built equipment to shoddily constructed russian barbarian garbage!:D
 
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