Russian Ross's?

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came to mind tonight while looking a ross #### on some random milsurpdotcom site about the ross rifle. what ever happened to all the ross rifles sent to russia. Something tells me there are quite a few over there (### ###) so if there are so many how come we cant try import them back.
WestRifle ever come across some overthere while looking for mosin and svt's??
 
They were sent by the allied forces to help the white russian forces , along with rotting studabakers and all the other odds and ends they had. We know some were captured and turned into a target rifle (in 7.62x54mmR I believe) someone once posted a photo of one in a russian poster I believe.

A member here spent some time in latvia I believe and mentioned looking for them and finding nothing.

Keep in mind there is a thread here in milsurps about 4million small arms getting melted down.
 
IIRC, I was leafing through a friend's copy of Gun Digest, a hardcover book put together from several magazines. There was one mention of some rifle match between USSR & USA in the late 1950s. One of the top rifle shooters was a Russian using I think a 6.5x54R calibre target rifle, said to be built on a Ross action. I wish the article had pictures of it, but here just was this 3/4 page, short article just behind the front page. No pics, just text.
 
Some were used for Biathlon when it was a center fire event:

BiathalonRoss.jpg
 
There is a pretty complete thread in the Ross forum over on milsups dot com oin this precise problem.

The Ross was the OFFICIAL rifle of the Latvian Army between the World Wars. It was supplemented by P-14s, Sopwith Camels and a lot of other interesting toys. All of this DISAPPEARED when Latvia was PROTECTED by the USSR in 1940. Funny, but the evil Nazis only "Occupied" the country for 3 years while the Soviets "protected" it for 60..... and the Nasties are the BAD GUYS???

Ditto Lithuania.

Ditto Estonia.

And Imperial Russia got a bunch during the Great War, more during the Second War.

BTW, those rotten old Studebakers were what Comrade Stalin called "the best truck in the world". OUR Army couldn't get enough of them; they were all going to Russia.

In the end, Russia (in one guise or another) ended up with just about two-thirds of the entire production of the Mark III Ross.

The TOZ match rifles in 6.5x53R and 7.62x54R were built on Mark III actions. Running Deer event in Caracas was when they smeared everybody else; writeup in NRA Rifleman magazine many years ago.
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That makes perfect sense Ganderite. Once upon a time I was healing from a broken leg from the basic para in Edmonton Garrison. And back at my home unit I was briefly employed in the maintenance company taking various weapons back and forth from the base armorers at CFB Calgary. While returning M2 HMG Browning barrels I noticed a number of folding stock, bolt action 7.62 NATO target rifles in the in-transit lockup. They were full bore biathlon rifles made up on Swedish Mauser actions. I never seen such a wonderful folding stock on a rifle before, or ever since then. There was even a wooden cheekpiece of sorts. The pistol grip, also wooden, was very ergonomic just like an early Thompson and the proper frame was made of what appeared to be, high grade aluminum. The lock appeared very robust also. The front sight on the end of the heavy barrel was a typical hooded peep for inserts but the rear sight was a drum type, one would see on the German H&K G3 rifle.
 
Ganderite said:
Some were used for Biathlon when it was a center fire event:

BiathalonRoss.jpg
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It's a nice photo that poster, but I doubt it shows one of the Russian Rosses. They seem to have had big fat checkered bolt knobs and custom stocks. That looks more like one of those Bubba from Birmingham jobs! :D

Maybe if we fire off some letters to Pres. Putin he'll take note and tell someone to pull the Rosses out of the pile. Assuming they didn't go into the smelter a long time ago. Stranger things have happened!
 
My father shot running deer at the Moscow World Shooting Championships in 1954 or 56 with a borrowed Russian Ross. Since he knew how to shoot a Ross from being a gun nut beforehand, he had more time to come up, hold, aim and squeeze.
 
Brutus said:
That makes perfect sense Ganderite. Once upon a time I was healing from a broken leg from the basic para in Edmonton Garrison. And back at my home unit I was briefly employed in the maintenance company taking various weapons back and forth from the base armorers at CFB Calgary. While returning M2 HMG Browning barrels I noticed a number of folding stock, bolt action 7.62 NATO target rifles in the in-transit lockup. They were full bore biathlon rifles made up on Swedish Mauser actions. I never seen such a wonderful folding stock on a rifle before, or ever since then. There was even a wooden cheekpiece of sorts. The pistol grip, also wooden, was very ergonomic just like an early Thompson and the proper frame was made of what appeared to be, high grade aluminum. The lock appeared very robust also. The front sight on the end of the heavy barrel was a typical hooded peep for inserts but the rear sight was a drum type, one would see on the German H&K G3 rifle.
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Those "wonderful folding stocks" were modified from the Swedish m-45 submachine gun. The ones with the wooden cheekpieces were the Carl Gustafs 62 Biathlon Rifles, chambered in 6.5x55 and 7.62x51 calibres. It won the Gold Medal in the 1960 Winter Olympics at Squaw Valley, and in the 1964 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck, Austria, it was used by the Swedish, Japanese and French teams.

The later CG 63S used a conventional non-folding stock, and was followed by the improved version, the CG 67.
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i hate the white line recoil pad on mine im probably going to chop it off soon and sticking a new one on. the shot sporter barrel on my m10 had killer recoil the worst out of all my rifles. according to the wonderful source wikipidia. 1903 right up till around 1914/1917 but dont quote me on this
 
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