S&W .38 Heavy Duty gift.

[dan belisle]

Work up to the Elmer load. It's easier on you and the gun with a 160 grain LSWC than a 170. If you still get "one thumb ejection" with the full load, you're there. We used regular small pistol primers and I think Elmer said he did too.

Elmer fired 1000 rounds of this load through a Heavy Duty without problems and then thought he was on to something and contacted S&W about it.

This load -- from a 4-inch or better -- should go through the driver of the 125 Suzuki bearing down on you and take out the shooter seated behind him with the Keltec.

What more do you want out of a revolver marked .38 S&W Special Ctg. ?

I reloaded a bunch of 357 for my brother and a couple of his friends in Yellowknife back in the day. 180 gr fmj flat points (designed for silhouette shooting). I had a bunch because I used them in my 357 Maximums. Loaded to max velocity they were designed to punch through a bears skull from a 4 inch revolver. And did so. Recoil was ugly, and you wouldn't want to feed your prized Model 19 or Python a steady diet of them, but they did the job. - dan

 

[marshall]

I have never needed to shot at a bear, done a couple old downer cows in my day, light target load wad cutters in 38 don't do the job.
Just messed the hair on the forehead at about 4 or 5 ft with a 4 in M19
But I am told with heavy recoil, it is not noticeable when you are on the lunch menu.

 

[dan belisle]

I have never needed to shot at a bear, done a couple old downer cows in my day, light target load wad cutters in 38 don't do the job.
Just messed the hair on the forehead at about 4 or 5 ft with a 4 in M19
But I am told with heavy recoil, it is not noticeable when you are on the lunch menu.

We had some cattle get away from the meat plant north of here some years back. They cornered one terrified cow at the end of the block alongside a neighbor's house. Shot that cow 13 times. Bad shots, poor ballistics, and idiots. Messed up my neighbor's east wall a fair bit too. - dan

 

[marshall]

Reminds me of a story from Regina a few yrs back, City police after a bad dog, shooting at it in back yard, got the house, garbage can, dog was finally got by the DNR fellows, and put down.
A 22rf behind the ear is all it takes for a cow, But center of the forehead is not the place with a wimpy gun.