S&W Model No.2 Old Model Army-"AND A LOT OF OTHER STUFF".

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S & W Model No.2 Old Model Revolver -(a.k.a. Model No.2 Army)

.32 caliber Long Rim Fire-Smith & Wesson Number 2 cartridge.

These guns were manufactured between 1861 & 1872.
The serial number on this gun is 42584 and was probably manufactured around 1868.

The Model No.2 Old Model was a popular personal sidearm with many officers and enlisted men during the Civil War.
General George Armstrong Custer is known to have owned a pair of these guns.
”Wild Bill” Hickok while marshal of Deadwood was carrying a Model 2 “Army” the night he was shot in August 1874.

The guns produced (by May 1, 1865) with serial numbers under 35731 could have seen use during the Civil War.
The total production was approx. 77,155 by the time this model was discontinued in 1872.

I was given the revolver shown below in 1991 by my father-in-law.

On April 17 1960 a fellow arrived at his front door to try and rob him…
the gun was loaded…there was a scuffle…the gun fell on the floor…
and the bad guy took off and was caught by the
police a few blocks away.

The police gave the gun back to my father-in-law as a souvenir
sometime after the "bandito's"trial.

(I went into further detail on the last post of “tokguy’s” thread on “Spencer 56 pics” thread…which I won’t repeat here.)

The gun is shown below.
I am missing the rammer pin….if anyone knows where I might find one…that would really be great.


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(An abstract from a book on Smith & Wesson Military Firearms written by Charles W. Pate.—March 1998)

At the time the Civil War started, Smith & Wesson was the only authorized manufacturer of revolvers employing a bored-through cylinder, a feature which was required in order to efficiently use modern cartridge ammunition. Since 1857 the firm's only production firearm had been the diminutive Model 1 revolver in .22 rimfire caliber. While the market was good for its .22 caliber pocket pistol, S&W recognized its limitations early on and wanted to answer the growing demand for a larger design with the advantages of the Model 1. Their solution to this demand was a scaled up version of their latest .22 caliber revolver, the Model 1 Second Issue. The new .32 caliber revolver was called by the factory the Number 2 or Belt Pistol. Perhaps due to its use in the war, collectors have since named this revolver the Model 2 or, more commonly, the Number 2 Army.
The Number 2 is a tip-up, spur trigger, 6 shot revolver. It was made of forged wrought iron and was designed to fire a cartridge known today as the .32 Long Rim Fire The barrel is hinged at and has a fastening catch on the bottom strap. To load the revolver, one tips the barrel up, removes the cylinder and loads it, and then returns the cylinder to the frame. To remove spent cartridges, one removes the cylinder and punches them out, one by one, using the rammer pin located under the barrel.

A great many of the orders S&W received during the Civil War came from soldiers or men soon to be soldiers. Those looking for dependable protection could do no better than the Number 2 Smith & Wesson which could be loaded quickly with waterproof metallic ammunition and was of a size suitable for the belt or a small holster.

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If you are interested click on the link below…then click on the video that shows
a very serious collection of these guns that is being offered
for sale by Butterfields.

http://www.model2project.com/
 
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ejector rod

Nice S&W and a great story with it. There is soon to be a book published about the #2 . Once it is available I will post it to you. By spring it is said.
I spoke with the author via email a few weeks ago regarding 2 that I have and he mentioned that a lot of the #2's found in Canada were bought by some Canadian milita during the Fenian{sp} raids. The book will tell us more.
Regarding your missing ejector rod, I just finished making one for mine one day last week. They are easy to do, I made mine using my drill press and a file. It is very hard to drill through a round piece of stock so I drilled a shallow hole and fitted in a screw head to give the appearance of a screw. Once I have beat it up and rusted it enough to look correct I will use a bit of epoxy to hold it in place in the gun. If you need measurements let me know and I will be glad to help.
 
Bittermansbro,

At a time when skin or paper cartridges were used during that period...I think that
the arrival of the (moisture resistant) copper rim fire cartridge used with
these pistols and with the Spencer carbine and rifle was a major development.

There were other carbines --Burnside--etc--- that used metallic cartridges....
but not many handguns that I know about that used this kind of cartridge
in great numbers.

David

Various Spencer cartridges shown in the photo below.


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A cartridge for this pistol.


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Fastex,

Thanks for your thoughts.
I will be interested to hear how you make out with your "rammer pin" project.

I have not really made a concerted effort to find one...that may be a project before I try and make one. (Also...I am not that skilled.)

I was lucky enough to find an original ram rod for my Mississippi rifle..in Virginia....it took twelve years....but who's counting.


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I have an interest in any Fenian association with these pistols....as my great great grandfather was involved in the Battle of Eccles Hill against the Fenians in 1870.

Please let me know about the book on the No.2

David

The gaping hole shown below is what I am looking to fill.


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This is what the missing "rammer pin"..."ejector rod" looks like....that is what fills the gaping hole.


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Finding original missing parts for a piece that warrants the effort.

I tend to be patient when it comes to this quest...I will look all over the world
to solve the problem...if that is what is required.
I don't care how long it takes.


This MG42 sling came from Norway for the gun shown below.


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Maybe it works out maybe it doesn't.


If I eventually have to purchase a reproduction part after all efforts are extinguished....so be it.....but it may take years before that happens.

I have only been through this exercise a few times....enough that I know that it is not impossible.

A more recent exercise closer to home involved the search for
a correct sling for a Model 1884 Springfield Trapdoor rifle dated 1893....
close to the end of the production of this model. (Sn. 561529)

I had been looking for a long time before I found the sling that I eventually bought.

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US M1887 sling marked “ROCK ISLAND ARSENAL”
Inspector’s stamp” E.H.S,” (E.H. Schmitten Leather Goods, Rock Island, IL) as well as another inspection stamp ” AEA.”


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I have started my search for an original ejector rod for the Smith & Wesson No.2 Army Revolver shown above….
time will clarify the eventual outcome???

David
 
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A few guns that needed various pieces that they were missing.
This is part of my experience with this quest.
It takes time....and can be expensive for nice pieces.
I tend to look at purchasing these items as being able to be resold on their own merits..
SO...condition is of principal importance.


MG42....a sling...from Norway.

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Thompson M1928A1...a sling and magazine pouches.


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Kerr NoBuckl sling for the Thompson smg.
Supposedly this sling came from the Savage Arms Factory that was located in Utica, New York.
(The gun was manufactured by Savage in Jan or Feb 1942.)


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-American Leather Products Corp. 1942 -Five cell 20 round magazine pouch.

-Three cell 30 round magazine pouch, marked USMC, R.M. CO. NOm. 45412, 1944.
(R.M. CO. –was Russell Manufacturing Company)


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Model 1860 Colt Army and Model 1858 New Model Remington revolver....a holster.


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Model 1841 "Mississippi rifle".....an original ramrod and saber bayonet.

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Artillery Luger...a snail drum magazine ,magazine loader....and the holster-from Australia.


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Model 1897 Winchester Trench Shotgun....a bayonet.


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PPSh-41 ....magazines,pouches,and sling.
The NCO belt came from Russia.
A WWII M-1936 Russian helmet.(Dated 1939)


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MP40 ...A magazine pouch from Norway.
-A mix of different marked MP40 magazines.


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MP44..... Sling (from Belgium) and spare parts pouch.


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M1 Garand.... a bayonet and ammunition belt marked "Midwest Duck & Canvas Co. 1943."

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I bought these two nice M1911A1 holsters by mistake..I really didn't need them for the 1942
dated Colt M1911A1 pistol that I own.

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This original holster that came with the rig was all I needed....bad judgement decision
to purchase the other holsters.

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Model 1884 Springfield Trapdoor rifle.....a sling.


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Purchasing the gun may only be the beginning....there "may" be an ongoing quest to find associated accessories.

I suspect this "might be" part of the intrigue and challenge in collecting this stuff.
(For some collectors it may be a consideration.....for others...it is less important.)


ANYWAY...I am off looking for an original ejector rod for the S&W Model 2 Army revolver shown above.

The challenge is a bit different this time.... because of my family's connection to this gun.

David
 
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Looks like you have put some serious and careful work into finding the proper accessories for your collection. Very impressive! Thanks for sharing those photos.
 
My appreciation as well for the pictures, and for the glimpse of the dedication and diligence required to put together a very pure collection. Thank you.
 
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