Sad story of my M14 .

Chatrbaz84

Chatrbaz84

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Hi everyone . I would like to share a story with you guys ,
I think that is the right time to speak about it .
A couple of years ago , almost 3-4 years ago , I had a chance to get a LRB T44E4 , collectible and shooter M14 , I was trying to import the rifle with one of the guys/business/dealers or whatever that I will not call by his name , it cost a lot but doesn't matter for a serious person , by mistake they reported during Import, springfield armoury T44E4 ( machine gun, it is in FRT list ) the RCMP asked to have it to verify at the lab. They shipped it to RCMP and I have never hear anything back from the import guy . They always blame RCMP until 1 may 2020 and I gave up.

Sad story my M14 ended up in RCMP lab while I have no idea how to claim .

I bought many firearms from USA but a couple of times I lost stock/accessories and one M14 the last time.

Maybe this one was the only T44E4 heel stamped M14 in Canada,that's why???!!

If you guys think there is a possibility to get it back or if you have any solution I would love to hear that.
 
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Do you have copies of the original purchase order and import papers?
You can make copies and send it to the RCMP and ask what happened
I had stuff returned after years of waiting from them
 
The SFSS took nearly 3 years to verify one of my 12.3 purchases. and now your M14 is prohibited by OIC so I dont think they can give it to you because you dont have a license to possess it. So your only hope is that a CPC government gets in or its confiscated with compensation or deactivated.
 
can14 said:
Do you have copies of the original purchase order and import papers?
You can make copies and send it to the RCMP and ask what happened
I had stuff returned after years of waiting from them
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I called many times , They said we do not know you and it is not your business , and we do deal with import guy only , he has to call us not you ,
 
Komodo said:
The SFSS took nearly 3 years to verify one of my 12.3 purchases. and now your M14 is prohibited by OIC so I dont think they can give it to you because you dont have a license to possess it. So your only hope is that a CPC government gets in or its confiscated with compensation or deactivated.
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I have many M14 .BTW this one is Non restricted , anyway OIC M14 variant ban is not the same as Machine gun M14 ban, I don't think even if grand fathering OIC license issues we can buy M14 machine gun, that required different license categury , the T44E4 LRB is not prohibited , it is a semi auto M14 variant ,

BTW LRB T44E4 is not in the list of OIC as well
 
[scratches head] are you in contact with anyone at the lab?

If not start with calling Miramichi at the usual 1 800 number and suffer through until they put you through to someone at the lab (I wish I could give you the direct extension but I've been warned against that)

The technician will most likely give you an email address to write to. This will let you find out where the gun is.

If they classify it as May 1 OIC prohib you will not be able to have it until the OIC is rescinded or (big IF) some sort of grandfathering put in place.

If they classify it as 12.3, you won't be able to have it even if you do have 12.3 (import of 12.3 will not be allowed)

If you do have 12.2 or 12.3, you could try to get the gun stripped and put the parts on a 12.3 receiver...

If classified, the gun will most likely be returned to the _original_ importer and can be resold in the US or stripped and imported as a parts kit (maybe). It may be beneficial to have it linger in the lab for a bit longer if there is a hope the OIC on M14s will be rescinded. It will most likely not be possible to send it to a prohib licensed gunsmith in Canada for disassembly, but ask the lab if that would be allowed... they can be reasonable sometimes...

P.S. I see some updates since I started typing this - I'm pretty sure I know who the importer is. The only thing you can do _right now_ is tell the importer to request the rifle back from the lab and resell or maybe strip. Will they actually work with you? I'd be happy to be surprised. I'd wait till the OIC situation is resolved one way or another... Sorry and good luck!
 
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Chatrbaz84 said:
I have many M14 .BTW this one is Non restricted , anyway OIC M14 variant ban is not the same as Machine gun M14 ban, I don't think even if grand fathering OIC license issues we can buy M14 machine gun, that required different license categury , the T44E4 LRB is not prohibited , it is a semi auto M14 variant ,

BTW LRB T44E4 is not in the list of OIC as well
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OK you just said it is a semi auto M14 variant. So semi auto M14 and their variants were banned under the OIC 01 May2020. They are now prohibited. Or am I missing something?
 
Komodo said:
OK you just said it is a semi auto M14 variant. So semi auto M14 and their variants were banned under the OIC 01 May2020. They are now prohibited. Or am I missing something?
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what is variant ?
can we say firearm variant ?
weapon variant ?
that is the lawyer's language
 
Komodo said:
OK you just said it is a semi auto M14 variant. So semi auto M14 and their variants were banned under the OIC 01 May2020. They are now prohibited. Or am I missing something?
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If I have a m14 with different stamp/manufacturer I can go at the range with it today , as long as it is not in the list , I have a m14 that is not in the list and I went at the range a couple of times after 1.may.2020 , called and confirmed and I was told it is fine to shoot with that .

So this one also is not in the list of OIC .
 
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OK I am even more confused. You called it an M14 variant. Your post is even headed M14. So I am just going to give up too confusing
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Lawyers language give that opportunity to the court to turn over the judge's vote , RCMP officers are looking for names in the list to enforce the law.

In the end when it is not in the list by name it is not prohibited.

Exactly what I was told over the phone regarding one of my rifles the same platform :

" sir your firearm is not in the list of 1.may.2020 ban , yes you can go at the range with it ".
 
can14 said:
Do you have copies of the original purchase order and import papers?
You can make copies and send it to the RCMP and ask what happened
I had stuff returned after years of waiting from them
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I spoke with him today and he will send me the import documents, I called RCMP , they do not connect me to the lab and they don't share any info.
They are keep saying I am not responsible for that and the seller must contact RCMP.
 
OK well here is the preamble to the list:89 The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Rifle, M14, and any variant or modified version of it, including the. It then list what is included but it doesnt say only. If the list was the complete list then why would they say any variant or modified version. But the preamble says ANY VARIANT OR MODIFIED VERSION. So shoot away but I wouldnt unless I had it in writing .

If the SFSS has it and it says M14 on the heel stamp and you call it an M14 variant. You dont think the SFSS is going to classify as an M14 variant? and make it prohibited
 
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Komodo said:
OK well here is the preamble to the list:89 The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Rifle, M14, and any variant or modified version of it, including the. It then list what is included but it doesnt say only. If the list was the complete list then why would they say any variant or modified version. But the preamble says ANY VARIANT OR MODIFIED VERSION. So shoot away but I wouldnt unless I had it in writing .

If the SFSS has it and it says M14 on the heel stamp and you call it an M14 variant. You dont think the SFSS is going to classify as an M14 variant? and make it prohibited
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facts : T44E4 hell stamp didn't say M14

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that is why worth it to fight and get my rifle back.

What you said is an opinion , if you wanna make it big same as liberals you can turn over the language anyway you like , " assault style rifle " , " assault style rifle " , " assault style rifle " , Now tell me what is " assault style rifle " ? , Liberal language .


in the end the responsible person who wants to enforce the law confused in action . he / she has 2 options :
1.confiscate temperately to understand the definition of variant in liberal's language .
2.to check the list and check the hell stamp and mark .

when I called the person who gave me permission ,checked the list, if you were a RCMP officer maybe wanna mess with gun owners. for sure I will try to have in paper or email as proof with me if I want to go out with it,
 
It took me over three and a half years to get an FN FAL from the lab in Ottawa and I called every month.
It was in Canada to begin with not an import.
Keep at them and update us on your progress.
 
OK well your original post said "Maybe this one was the only T44E4 heel stamped M14 in Canada,that's why???!!" That is why I thought it said M14 heel stamp because that is what you stated. If you were being sarcastic I was unaware
 
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