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Gents,

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http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269040

September 8, 2008
Liberals announce ban on military assault weapons

MONTREAL – A Liberal government would move quickly to take military assault weapons off Canadian streets while still respecting the voices of legitimate gun owners, Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion said today.

“A new Liberal government will make our cities, our communities, and our schools safer by getting military assault weapons off our streets,” said Mr. Dion at an event at Dawson College. “Military assault weapons have no connection to hunting or sport shooting, and serve absolutely no purpose in our society. No one outside of the military needs these weapons and we would all be safer without them in Canada.”

A Liberal government would ensure that the list of prohibited weapons is updated to include all military assault weapons. This approach was supported last Thursday by Coroner Jacques Ramsay in his report into the tragic shootings at Dawson College in 2006. A Liberal government will ensure that semi-automatic rifles with a legitimate connection to hunting or sport shooting are not included in the prohibition.

“The Conservatives’ ideological opposition to reasonable firearms restrictions is simply unacceptable,” said Mr. Dion. “It is wrong. It is not the Canada we want to build. And this election is about the type of Canada we want to live in.”

Mr. Dion also announced that a Liberal government would make changes to the government’s Firearms Advisory Committee to ensure that the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness receives balanced and informed advice when it comes to firearms use in Canada. Under the Conservatives the committee had been quietly stacked with firearms enthusiasts, providing little in the way of unbiased advice.

“While the voices of legitimate gun owners deserve to be heard on the committee, we will ensure that there are representatives of major police associations – like the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Police Association, health and safety experts and true advocates of gun control on the committee. This will ensure that the measures we implement with respect to firearms actually make Canadians safer,” he said.

“Stephen Harper cannot be tough on crime when he is soft on guns,” said Mr. Dion. “The time has come for the government to get these dangerous guns off our streets and a new Liberal government will do just that.”


BACKGROUND
On the Assault Weapons Ban:

Rather than working with community safety advocates, the current Conservative government has effectively undermined gun control legislation in Canada.

For example, the list of prohibited firearms maintained by the federal government is now dangerously out of date. The list identifies a particular type of gun and declares it to be prohibited. However, the industry and gun dealers have become very good at circumventing this system. They make tiny adjustments to a prohibited weapon – this adjustment technically makes it a different gun then the one that is prohibited and it is thus legal to own in Canada.

The result of this is too many military assault rifles – weapons that have absolutely no legitimate connection to hunting or sport shooting – are now legally owned and available in this country.

Military assault rifles are defined as fully-automatic and selective-fire rifles along with selected semi-automatic rifles designed for military purposes and possessing military features such as: use of a large capacity magazine, folding/telescoping stock, a protruding pistol grip, a bayonet mount, or threaded muzzle or flash suppressor. It is these military features – features whose sole purpose is to render the rifle a more effective tool for killing other people – which make these rifles a threat to public safety.


While fully-automatic rifles have been prohibited since 1978, many of the semi-automatic rifles with these military features are still not prohibited.

Banning these weapons would not require additional legislation. They can be added to the current list of prohibited weapons through an Order-In-Council.

This proposed prohibition would not cover semi-automatic rifles which do not contain these military features. A new Liberal government will not prohibit semi-automatic rifles with a legitimate connection to hunting and sport shooting.

In his report, published September 4, 2008, Coroner Jacques Ramsay called for a ban on the type of military assault weapon used by Kimv**r Gill in the Dawson College shootings on September 13, 2006.

This prohibition would cover the short-barrelled Beretta CX4 Storm rifle which was obtained legally by Kimv**r Gill and used in the Dawson College shootings two years ago and the Mini-Ruger 14, the weapon used by Marc Lepine at L’Ecole Polytechnique in Montreal in December 1989 to kill 14 young women.
On Changes to the Firearms Advisory Committee:

The Firearms Advisory Committee has existed since the days of Kim Campbell.

First the Progressive Conservatives and then the Liberals attempted to use the committee to ensure that the Minister responsible for public safety received balanced and informed advice when it came to firearms in this country.

The previous governments ensured that representatives of legitimate, law-abiding firearms owners sat next to representatives of our national police organizations, health and safety experts and true proponents of gun control.

Stockwell Day has radically altered the make-up of this committee. He has stacked it with pro-gun advocates and removed from it all of those who advocate in favour of gun control and gun safety.

Future appointments to the Firearms Advisory Committee will provide balance to the committee. Legitimate gun-owners will work together with community safety advocates to ensure that the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness receives advice that is balanced.
 
Anyone want start a petition for a new holiday in October. It'll be called "Piss on a Liberal day" How about we make it for Oct 14.
 
Well, I just got off the phone. 3 year membership to the Conservative Party of Canada and a $300 donation. Mr. Dion, you and yours can please feel free to #### off. :)
 
they will not get my guns...... period
and every gun owner in this fine nation needs to adopt that mind set.... right fricken now
 
Letter sent to: info@liberal.ca , for whatever it's worth...

Letter sent:

From your newsletter:
September 8, 2008
'Liberals announce ban on military assault weapons'

What 'military assault weapons'? There are no M-16s, C-7/8s, AK-47s or any such weapons 'on the streets' now. Any firearms which resemble 'assault weapons' in appearance are already restricted, and they are most certainly nowhere near the streets. The gun registry debacle has taught you lieberals nothing, and this idiotic gun-grab you're promising will be seen for what it is; another attack of government on law abiding firearms owners everywhere.

And that's why I will never vote lieberal so long as I live.

My Name, CD
 
and REGISTRATION DOES NOT LEAD TO CONFISCATION?- now with everything registered, any moron can weed out where the "assault" weapons are, once they define what one is- they'll go after the "black" stuff first, and then the 305's - and the thuggies will still have their guns, - the only thing that will survive is the unregistered gun that got "forgotten about" in a chest somewhere
 
Banning these weapons would not require additional legislation. They can be added to the current list of prohibited weapons through an Order-In-Council

One thing I never understood is if they can ban weapons with a "Order in Council" why can't the Conservative simply do the same to support gun owners by removing a lot of the Order in Councils that are in place about firearms. :confused:

Dimitri
 
One thing I never understood is if they can ban weapons with a "Order in Council" why can't the Conservative simply do the same to support gun owners by removing a lot of the Order in Councils that are in place about firearms. :confused:

Dimitri

...Because they need to have a majority to do that...

N_R
 
...Because they need to have a majority to do that...

I see didn't know that figured they were a lot like the American "Executive Orders" where the President only needs to sign off considering they are not legislation so didn't think they had to be "passed" through government hence no need for a majority. ;)

Interesting to know.

Edit I know a bad source but ....

What actually happens is that the Lord President of the Council, President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, or the equivalent figure in the other realms (a cabinet minister), reads out batches of Orders-in-Council - drafted by the government - in front of the monarch or vice-regal officer (typically a Governor-General), who, after every couple of orders, says 'Agreed'. They then pass into law, where they are fully effective.

Seems to me no majority is needed to pass Order In Councils only a willing Governor General. So how about a Order in Council that protects gun owners and the right to own firearms that will make future anti-gun legislation impossible for a while. Would be a good step in the right direction for the Conservatives instead of trying to buy this election on promises alone no ?? ;)

Dimitri
 
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Seems to me no majority is needed to pass Order In Councils only a willing Governor General. So how about a Order in Council that protects gun owners and the right to own firearms that will make future anti-gun legislation impossible for a while. Would be a good step in the right direction for the Conservatives instead of trying to buy this election on promises alone no ?? ;)

Dimitri

It might be seen as futile as all it would take is another OIC to over ride it. In the meanwhile the CPC would take hits for their 'pro gun' stance. We need legislation for a more 'permanent' solution.
 
It might be seen as futile as all it would take is another OIC to over ride it. In the meanwhile the CPC would take hits for their 'pro gun' stance. We need legislation for a more 'permanent' solution.

From my reading tonight a OIC needs a majority in the House of Commons to be over written. So a OIC could make it established for no more OIC against firearms or their owners. Which will mean it would take a lot more then a simple new OIC to prohibit more firearms or licensing ownership to death to be done by anyone to restrict our rights.

Dimitri
 
Okay, let's not get stuck on what we cannot do (change the misguided lefties) but let's start working with our CPC Candidates by placing signs and networking FOR said candidates in our ridings. :D
 
Im not sure, but , i live on a military base (i know i live on, thats not my question) and im uncertain about these signs being allowed, does anyone know?

PS.
I love PMQ's with their beautiful white/cream looking paint. so neutral. :D
 
Im not sure, but , i live on a military base (i know i live on, thats not my question) and im uncertain about these signs being allowed, does anyone know?

PS.
I love PMQ's with their beautiful white/cream looking paint. so neutral. :D

Not sure about campaign signs being on CFHA land, but if I saw a liberal banner on my grass i would take it down in a heartbeat regardless of consequences, i do too live in a PMQ.
 
our shooting sports representatives and organizations need to buy some prime television add space and put the cards on the table.

A) liberals think the average canadian is dumb ...... we are expected to believe that semi auto military type firearms are responsible for the gun crime rate???? We should solve this with an outright ban/prohibition ???

That makes about as much sense as banning cars that exceeed 120km per hour.... which i beleive is the highest posted speed limit in canada. This will stop or at least drastically reduce the number of speed related fatal car accidents in canada..... remember .... if it saves just one life

I am positive though i have not looked it up.... that there are more deaths in canada from fatal car crashes where speed alone caused the crash, than there are gun related deaths in canada, in any given year, in the modern history of the automobile in canada.

Liberals twist the facts, they engineer public opinion, the lie to the canadian public so easily.

as gun owners we need a new tactic, we need to get into mass media
I'm sure 10.00 from every single gun nut who frequents this site, and any friends they have who are not on this site...... would buy a spot on national television to run an add campaign.
I personally think it's our only hope.
 
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