Sako 85 discontinued
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No 338 wm or big bore option? What gives, SAKO has generally offered these chamberings. Maybe they’ve fallen out of popularity
I like the buttstock design and pistol grip design, modern but classy looking
No plunger ejector please, the ejector on the L and A models is perfect
I like the buttstock design and pistol grip design, modern but classy looking
No plunger ejector please, the ejector on the L and A models is perfect
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Euro rifle companies are going more and move away from NA reality. We are in a different worlds and still drifting apart.
They are not only ignoring all evolution and modern developments happening in NA, they are actively refusing to even consider the same values in firearms. This is especially awkward to see from century old weapon manufacturers like Steyr (Monobloc!) and Sako. Sako 85 bolt head was already outdated, but they insist in the same arrangement with a tiny extractor. Instead they are going in circles trying to make up a new rail and a new attachment. All this to make barrel removable. Ah come on. You made a new footprint, a new optics mount, a new everything to quick change barrels, but you don't have separate bolt heads?! So I need barrel and a bolt together? This bolt with complex cocking/decoking mechanism? This is going to be 2 barrels Sako 100 for a price of 3-4 Tikkas.
Look at these stocks. Are they living on an island without an internet for a decade or two? The best they can do is a adjustable cheek rest? No length of pull, no bag riders (look at the QD mount position), no ARCA, no M-Lok, no NOTHING. XRS from MDT runs circles around these stocks. Hell, magpul hunter stock is a better arrangement in everything.
And all this happens after Sig Cross. After Christensen Arms modern precision rifle. After MDT HNT26. After Fix by Q. Even after CZ 600. CZ can make a budget rifle with quick change barrels, removable interchangeable bolt heads, controlled round feed and passive ejector, 5 variants of stocks, including Trail configuration. But the best Sako can show up after 2 decades of 85 is this?!
They are not only ignoring all evolution and modern developments happening in NA, they are actively refusing to even consider the same values in firearms. This is especially awkward to see from century old weapon manufacturers like Steyr (Monobloc!) and Sako. Sako 85 bolt head was already outdated, but they insist in the same arrangement with a tiny extractor. Instead they are going in circles trying to make up a new rail and a new attachment. All this to make barrel removable. Ah come on. You made a new footprint, a new optics mount, a new everything to quick change barrels, but you don't have separate bolt heads?! So I need barrel and a bolt together? This bolt with complex cocking/decoking mechanism? This is going to be 2 barrels Sako 100 for a price of 3-4 Tikkas.
Look at these stocks. Are they living on an island without an internet for a decade or two? The best they can do is a adjustable cheek rest? No length of pull, no bag riders (look at the QD mount position), no ARCA, no M-Lok, no NOTHING. XRS from MDT runs circles around these stocks. Hell, magpul hunter stock is a better arrangement in everything.
And all this happens after Sig Cross. After Christensen Arms modern precision rifle. After MDT HNT26. After Fix by Q. Even after CZ 600. CZ can make a budget rifle with quick change barrels, removable interchangeable bolt heads, controlled round feed and passive ejector, 5 variants of stocks, including Trail configuration. But the best Sako can show up after 2 decades of 85 is this?!
Not sure I agree with all of this. In some ways, the European gunmakers have been ahead of NA makers. And the switch-barrel concept is decidedly European in motivation, since in many European countries, the number of guns a person can own is very small, so that with interchangeable barrels, one rifle with several barrels still counts as only one rifle. I see far less interest in switch-barrel rifles in NA. Although NA is a large market for gunmakers, Sako has, over the years, catered more to its European clientele. As for the bolt-head issue, I don't see that as particularly irksome. With the "standard" .308 Win. (.473") bolt head, for example, a whole hell of a lot of cartridges can be accommodated--all the way from the 22-250 up to the 9.3x62 and beyond. As for the stock features, I think Sako probably sees the M100 as primarily a hunting rifle-albeit with perhaps some other applications as well. I'm not trying to promote the 100, and probably won't buy one myself, but it seems to me to be pretty much in sync with modern hunting-rifle sensibilities. My main nit to pick revolves around aesthetics. I think Schultz & Larsen incorporates the switch-barrel concept in a more attractive package. In any case, It might be wise to wait until the 100 has been in shooters' hands and thoroughly evaluated before writing it off so definitively.
Not sure what other evolutionary and modern developments you felt the Europeans are ignoring. However, some recent NA concepts/values are definitely best left ignored!
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There are many, and don't need extensive examination in this forum, since this thread is about the replacement of the Sako 85 with the 100. I will identify one large many-faceted trend, however. It is the great increase in white supremacist activities in the US, along with the political spectrum shifting far far to the right. It is manifest in the fact that there is no longer any civil discourse among politicians, social commentators, and even ordinary people with differing views. This along with the accompanying coarsening of all political and social dialogue, and the prospect of democracy itself now being in great danger. Europeans in democratic countries have been aghast at what they are seeing in the US these days--and with good reason.
That's it. Lets get back now to discussing Sako rifles!
Seems like the SAKO S20 is intended to hit those “modern” notes.
The SAKO extractor is part and parcel of SAKO rifles; it certainly seems to have performed successfully in their earlier designs which still hold water with many to this day, not to mention the many remingtons wearing them.
South Pender seems to have taken a diversion into the philosophical for some reason, but for many of us the ARCA rails et al are not what we’re looking for in a hunting rifle. Though I’m not sure switch barrel capability is what I’m in the market for either to be honest. Personally I’d like to see the decocking safety on more rifles and think it’s a good development, but then again “in matters of taste there is no opinion”.
I don’t know if adding spacers etc (it does appear to have them on offer) to make factory rifles fit every individual at the cost of aesthetics and one piece construction is really something to be lauded. Look at how ugly the m77 has gotten with its clubby buttstock with multiple spacers
Can’t speak to if the 100 is a good design as none of us have seen one or an extensive break down.
The SAKO extractor is part and parcel of SAKO rifles; it certainly seems to have performed successfully in their earlier designs which still hold water with many to this day, not to mention the many remingtons wearing them.
South Pender seems to have taken a diversion into the philosophical for some reason, but for many of us the ARCA rails et al are not what we’re looking for in a hunting rifle. Though I’m not sure switch barrel capability is what I’m in the market for either to be honest. Personally I’d like to see the decocking safety on more rifles and think it’s a good development, but then again “in matters of taste there is no opinion”.
I don’t know if adding spacers etc (it does appear to have them on offer) to make factory rifles fit every individual at the cost of aesthetics and one piece construction is really something to be lauded. Look at how ugly the m77 has gotten with its clubby buttstock with multiple spacers
Can’t speak to if the 100 is a good design as none of us have seen one or an extensive break down.
If you'd read the post just before mine, you'd have seen the reason--that I was simply answering a question posed to me by owlowl. And you'll see that I was reluctant to diverge from the central discussion of this thread, indicating that we should get back to that discussion.
Incidentally, the manual cocking or "handspannung," which is the default safety option on the Sako 100 and lets you keep the rifle un-cocked until ready to shoot, is not original with the Sako 100. The Antonio Zoli rifles--based on the Husqvarna 1900 action--have had a similar feature for some time, and I think some of the other more recent European switch-barrel rifles, like the Blaser and Sauer, may have it too. It doesn't really seem to me to be a necessary addition if a rifle has the more common dependable safety, and has probably been incorporated at the insistence of the gunmakers' corporate lawyers.
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I have a single shot rifle which also has this feature. I think it is great from a safety perspective. I also have a Mauser safety that decocks that I am saving for an eventual build.
Regardless of if I agree with what you said, which I certainly do, I think you can forgive him for assuming what you said may be related to firearms design…
I think Euros have a lot of interesting novel ideas in firearms design. Straight pulls, aluminum alloy receivers, decocking safeties, I’m sure there are more.
Regardless of if I agree with what you said, which I certainly do, I think you can forgive him for assuming what you said may be related to firearms design…
I think Euros have a lot of interesting novel ideas in firearms design. Straight pulls, aluminum alloy receivers, decocking safeties, I’m sure there are more.
I doubt the 85 will be discontinued and have not see anything on the sako site that indicates this to be the case. Maybe a few specific versions of the 85. I have noticed a couple canadian shops have added a note to some of their listings that the 85 is being discontinued and have increased the list price.
As for the ejection issue, some members have commented on specific models and action lengths that are responsible for the problem. I have a Bavarian L in 375H&H, a Bavarian Carbine M in 30-06, a Stainless/Syhthetic M in 270Win, a Finnlight SM in 270WSM, and a Blackwolf L in 7mmRM. I owned but sold a Finnlight 2 on an XL in 300WM, a Hunter SM in 300WSM, and a Finnlight S in 7-08. I have Swarovski Habicht, Z3, and Z5 on all of my rifles, using the 1" Extra Low Optilocks. None of these rifles had the ejection problem. The only action length I have not owned is the XS so I can't comment on its performance.
Thinking about picking up another M action to build another 35Whelen, and a Varmint/Laminate in 223.
As for the ejection issue, some members have commented on specific models and action lengths that are responsible for the problem. I have a Bavarian L in 375H&H, a Bavarian Carbine M in 30-06, a Stainless/Syhthetic M in 270Win, a Finnlight SM in 270WSM, and a Blackwolf L in 7mmRM. I owned but sold a Finnlight 2 on an XL in 300WM, a Hunter SM in 300WSM, and a Finnlight S in 7-08. I have Swarovski Habicht, Z3, and Z5 on all of my rifles, using the 1" Extra Low Optilocks. None of these rifles had the ejection problem. The only action length I have not owned is the XS so I can't comment on its performance.
Thinking about picking up another M action to build another 35Whelen, and a Varmint/Laminate in 223.
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I had an 85 chambered in 270wsm. It would not eject a single case without smacking the scope. Higher rings or more aggressive approach did nothing to change it. I was lucky I suppose, I complained enough to Stoeger and they took it back to correct the problem. I got it back and still had the same issue although it would eject 2-3 out of 10 this time. Complained some more and they took it back and gave me the same new rifle in 7mm rem. mag. I never tried that one , sold it as soon as I could.
You got all that from an updated Sako rifle ? I am European by birth and spend time there from time to time . The new Sako is getting a mixed reception there as well , some like it , some don't . Any comparison between NA markets and Europe is pretty much apples and oranges . In the UK the switch barrel concept , one rifle , multiple chamberings , doesn't apply . You still have to apply to your FEO for a new barrel/chambering and give good reason as to why you need it . My brother in law was refused a new barrel for his Blaser because the FEO decided he didn't need it . The new Sako will be a decent rifle I'm sure , they make a good product . I won't be selling off my older Sakos , except the 85 that did have unreliable ejection unless I used high rings . Mostly because there isn't anything earth shattering in the new model , too each their own though .
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Great increase in white supremacist activites?!?! CBC tell you that? Holy #### lol
