Salvaging lead from car batteries

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This is a sticky over at leverguns, thought you guys might want to read it.

Salvaging lead from batteries can be hazardous to your health. The "maintenance free" batteries are not like the older lead plate batteries. The ones these days have calcium and other alloying elements in them.

The danger comes when alloys containing calcium are melted with those containing antimony and arsenic (such as in wheelweights). Compounds are formed in the melt which becomes mixed with the dross. When the dross is discarded, if it comes in contact with moisture highly toxic gases can be released.

For instance, an alloy containing calcium mixed with wheeweights will have a silvery-looking scum that forms on it fairly quickly. It tends to cling to the ladle and often ends up in the mold. In the melting of these two alloys small crystals are formed and a reaction can occur. Two of the most common reactions are:

2Sb + 3Ca=Sb2Ca3
or
2As + 3Ca=As2Ca3

Neither one of these compounds can be fluxed back into the alloy and will become dross.

The danger lies in what happens to the discarded dross.

If moisture is introduced, the calcium oxidizes for form lime while the hydrogen combines with the antimony or arsenic to produce either stibine gas or arsine gas. Both are actute poisons.

The gases are heavy and will lie in low places, such as the bottom of a garbage can.

As little as 50 parts per million of arsine can impair the function of the blood or cause pulmonary edema. A few breaths of it can be fatal.

Calculations show that 1 pound of the above alloy can produce about 0.1 cubic feet of gas. If trapped in a garbage can, it could prove a fatal dose should one inhale it after taking the lid off. It would only take 0.3 cu. ft. of such gas to contaminate the air in an average basement or garage.

It is best not to mess with melting down batteries.
The above information was gleaned from "CAST BULLETS" by Col. E.H. Harrison, article "Battery Plates: Bad News For Casters" by Dennis Marshall, page 116.
 
On a personal addition, Older lead acid batteries are not easily identified from maintenance free. Some Maintenance free batteries look identical to the older types, including the caps on top.

SALVAGING LEAD FROM BATTERIES IS JUST NOT A GOOD IDEA.
 
I think you will find it is cadmium that is alloyed with lead and the cadmium releases very toxic vapours when melted, much worse than lead vapours. I can't remember where the warning was written but have definitely read it around the time I first started casting 25 years or so ago.

cheers mooncoon
 
There is also very little usable lead in the batteries. Usually all you can hope to salvage out of entire 50 lb battery is a couple lb from the positive and negative pins.
 
Lead sheet from Xray machine shielding is I think what Dan's referring to. Damned good stuff, if you can get it. Hospital remodeling, dentist offices etc. It is out there.

Well, I was being facetious, but yes, actually you can. I have a friend who is a dentist and he supplied me with a fair bit of nice lead back in the day. Also had another friend who's wife was a typesetter (now I'm really dating myself), and she got me some really good material as well. Now days, all the scrap lead I see is pretty much wheel weights. I tried melting down the surface material of some large engine bearings (very large), but I couldn't get them hot enough to melt and seperate with the tools available to me. FWIW - dan
 
I avoid batteries like the plague. Wheel weights are king since most of the linotype has dried up. Another good source is old houses. Lots of lead sheeting was used prior to plastic/aluminum to waterproof around chimneys and vents. May be covered in tar, but that can be easily melted down and fluxed into bright, clean ingots. Managed to salavage 100lbs of clean, pure lead from a couple of old houses that were demolished last summer.
 
Leaving the health issues aside from lead batteries... wouldn't the lead be too soft even if there were no other issues in recovering the lead from old batteries?

I know the posts are usually too soft even if cut off and melted down.
Depends on your application.
For low velocity loads, eg: black powder or equivalent, soft lead is preferred, and damned hard to get, compared to hard lead, like wheel weights, or Linotype.
 
The best way to get ammunition out of old car batteries is to take the old batteries to a battery supplier, most will give you a few bucks per battery. Incidently, as a former battery manufacturer's rep, all of the above cautions are entirely true and worth repeating.
 
Thanks for the informative post! Although I have no intention of casting bullets at present, I may in the future and would likely have ended up crumpled in a heap beside the garbage can....

On another note, when I bought the place I live in now I wasn't into guns much, other than 1 rifle/1 shotgun/1 22lr. Anyway, there was an old shed in the back yard and the previous owner had left a bunch of stuff in it. In one corner there was a huge pile of wooden trays filled with little metal rectangles with letters and numbers on them. There must have been 300-400 pounds of the stuff. I couldn't imagine what someone would horde that crap for.

So I took it to the landfill.:rolleyes:
 
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