SAPR or SCAR?

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I realize that the FRT for SCAR was deemed prohib but is anyone ever going to try to bring them in again for classification?

With all the active around SA is the SAPR ever going to have a chance being sold in Canada?

I really want both of these rifles if I can every legally purchase one without the 12.X and if they are going to be 12.x then they can't be imported anyways.
 
Well, as I understand it the fountain of Scar had been cut off at the source. If they make a Scar 2.0( or 18s or whatever they'd call it, it would be deemed a variant of a prohib, and thus be prohib itself.

From what little I know, this is why we're not swimming in NR black rifles. Otherwise someone could just make an AR16 or a million other flavors, and subject the verification lab to a Chinese produced gun based DDoS attack until one slipped through.

A new design for the market needs to be just that, a new design. It's part of why things like an XCR are priced alongside top tier ARs, rather than costing $1000 like comparable guns, because they have no real competition and they cost so damn much to make. A big part of designing a new gun is finding all the necessary wheelbarrows to transport how much money it's going to cost you. Last I checked it's up at around a half a million dollars for many projects I've heard of. With the looming spectre of prohibition, not many people have that kind of cash to burn.

This particular method of prohibition has murdered an entire branch of our national industry. There are very few truly unique designs in life or art, when they come around they are precious and fragile and generally get squashed by industry giants. By restricting something as iconic as the AR15, they have neatly crippled entire generations of future designs, because now people have to go back and work with hundred year old designs, that may or may not have been prohibited or restricted themselves. Or create something entirely new that somehow escapes being classified as a variant of any number of scary guns that came before it.

However, the SAPR has not yet been gutted, there is some faint hope that if we rub our hands together for long enough the verification lab will get good feelings and push it through. Or we'll all die of old age, and one of the new guys will find it at the back of a shelf and ask what it is, and the last remaining old timer will have forgotten and they just approve it to get rid of it.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
Well, as I understand it the fountain of Scar had been cut off at the source. If they make a Scar 2.0( or 18s or whatever they'd call it, it would be deemed a variant of a prohib, and thus be prohib itself.
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No, it wouldn't. Example: Type 97 vs Type 97NSR.

If version 2.0 fixed the issued that made the SCAR "easily convertible to full auto" then it would be classified as non-restricted with an 18.5+ barrel and restricted with a barrel less than 18.5

As it is not a named prohibited firearm in the firearms act, variants of it will be classified on their own merit depending on construction.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
Ah, you are right. My mistake, I momentarily got confused and applied consistency to the Firearms Act.
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The enforcement of the act is quite consistent when it comes to application. It is how badly it is written that causes all the problems. Applying poorly written law ends up causing weird and wonderful decisions all the time.

Good whacked = LAR mags.

Bad whacked = all the names prohibs and their variants.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
So I guess that's it. Fill in some spots on the forging and roll out the Scar 2.0.
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Should work. The problem with the SCAR as it stands right now is the fun bits will drop right in. Now getting the fun bits would be tough as hell, but that isn't the point. The point was, should someone have the fun bits, its a quick drop in job and away you go full auto.

Make that change, and then see what happens with a classification. I'd rather have a SCAR than an ACR. Well right now I'd settle for an ACR as I don't have one but you get what I mean. If I had a choice... NR SCAR!!!
 
fenceline said:
Should work. The problem with the SCAR as it stands right now is the fun bits will drop right in. Now getting the fun bits would be tough as hell, but that isn't the point. The point was, should someone have the fun bits, its a quick drop in job and away you go full auto.

Make that change, and then see what happens with a classification. I'd rather have a SCAR than an ACR. Well right now I'd settle for an ACR as I don't have one but you get what I mean. If I had a choice... NR SCAR!!!
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Both the ACR and SCAR have their benefits. I have used the SCAR-17 (select-fire version) a fair amount, and own an ACR. The controls on the ACR are better for sure, and the stock on the ACR is WAAAY better.
 
I really had my hopes up with the SCAR. I am really hoping that there is enough interest for someone to go back and try for the 2.0 or SCAR-C for us north of the border. I still hope that the SAPR will make it into my hands one day also. Apparently I only seem to want black .308 semi's but only the really, really, scary ones.

I have considered the ACR enhanced but I would want it in at least 300 BLK if I can't have a .308. I like the ACR but having to swap out the barrel for NR status is kinda a PITA, but it would be a good time for that 300 BLK swap.
 
Well sadly the problem for SCAR isn't just on our end It get blocked both side
As I knew the US DOS also cut the export permit. So made those 20 SCAR queststar imported earlier only SCAR ever exported to Canada
And those end up been prohibited

So even there is the SCAR 2.0. US DOS won't issue any export permit for them. Still no go. :(
I will say your SCAR dream is almost 0% chance at this point
 
I hunted coyotes with a SCAR in Montana, fun, but I like me ACR ergonomics better... And it's had the Herron conversion done, so it's great!
 
Depends if the Prohib scars were using the upper or the lower as the "registered reciever"

I like Handl-Defense. They're cool guys. But I assumed all their gear would be caught under the general prohib status of the Scar16
 
As I recall. The SCARs has their serial numbers on the upper just like ACR so it may not work


Also the US department of state won't allow any exportation of SCAR anymore
Because US military is using them. So I am not sure if that changed
 
Stevebot-7 said:
It's part of why things like an XCR are priced alongside top tier ARs, rather than costing $1000 like comparable guns, because they have no real competition and they cost so damn much to make.
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The reason the XCR is so expensive is because they are 1) Higher quality than a 1000 dollar gun and 2) Are proprietary, unlike the AR-15. A 1200 dollar ar15 is easily worth 1500+, but since there are so many made, simple supply and demand brings down their prices to a more reasonable level. To suggest than an XCR is on a 1000 dollar gun (DPMS) level is asinine, if the XCR was to correspond with a quality level of AR-15 I would suggest Daniel Defense would be an appropriate match. A Daniel Defense runs about 1700, an XCR is 600 bucks more simply because the XCR is proprietary.
 
So if you bought a lower, registered it. The had the upper, it would really depend on which piece was considered the "firearm"? Worth some questions I would think.
 
Caleb314 said:
If FN could fix the wobbly stock and fix the whole easily converted thing then id totaly get one. They seem to be much better then xcr and very accurate to boot.
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Much better? They had less teething issues in the beginning, being made from such a large company, but I wouldn't call the SCAR much better than an XCR. Now, a SCAR is much better than anything less than a top of the line ar 15.
 
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