Saskatchewan- court ruling on out of province native hunters

bbobie said:
yes its been going on for a long time but lots have come to a head with your buddy in power lol
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JT is just one small cog in a wheel.

There is the whole court system, Indian Affairs dept., years and years of negotiation that have going on, etc. etc.
 
skhunter said:
Or a landowner like me who didn't care if people hunted without asking. Now the government has decided that hunters must get permission to hunt my land even though I never required it. So do I still control my land or does the government?

This law will do nothing to stop criminals and poachers.
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Govt has decided that you can't have a meth lab or a brothel on your property either, so you are right you don't have control of your land. Govt has decided that if you don't pay your taxes they seize your land...You've never been in control of your land since you took possession of it.

So lets just have no laws, is that your line of thinking? All landowners should follow the doctrine of skhunter and just let anyone on their land to do as they wish?

Whether you like it not the rules have changed here Sask, don't like you could always sell your property and move.
 
scott_r said:
Govt has decided that you can't have a meth lab or a brothel on your property either, so you are right you don't have control of your land. Govt has decided that if you don't pay your taxes they seize your land...You've never been in control of your land since you took possession of it.

So lets just have no laws, is that your line of thinking? All landowners should follow the doctrine of skhunter and just let anyone on their land to do as they wish?

Whether you like it not the rules have changed here Sask, don't like you could always sell your property and move.
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All land owners have always had the right to control who goes on their land, which is what we are talking about.

Show me where I have said land owners must let anyone on their land to do whatever they want. That has never been the law.

If you think about it for a minute, this new law actually reduced the control land owners had on their land.

I no longer have the right to allow people onto my land without prior permission.
 
dgradinaru said:
Not only that but if they want to hunt according to their traditions, let them stick to spears, bows, and knifes and use horses to get around. If they want to use modern equipment they should be forced to abide by the Law as per the rest of Canadian hunters. So much for equality in Canada.
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They never had horses until Europeans brought them over....
 
your not telling me any thing I don't already understand , so lets just put a stick in the spokes of the wheel.His father screwed the country and hes following in his foot steps, born with a silver spoon in his mouth. im done
 
Some people are better then others and we have to learn to except that. As a white male I know I am the cause of all the problems in the world and all others should have different rules than me, because I'm an evil white person.
 
RiMP9 said:
Hey will everyone just step back then ask yourself this question first before you start to judge our "First Nation" people? If you look at what I just put into quotes you will notice that they were here in North America FIRST (thus First Nations) before we as non natives forced them to into submission. Placing them on the worst lands in the nation and expecting them to survive. Which is hard to do as they were hunters gatherers and lived off what nature gave them and they believed in keeping everything in balance. Do some research on residential schools you'll be utterly shocked at what white men did to brake the FN spirits to comply with and restrictions put on who was allowed to leave the reserve and how long they were to be gone and the results of not returning on time. Once you have done your full research, rethink what your ideas of our FN people then you will need to apologize to them as well.
As far as I am concerned we need to apologize to each and every one of them for the way they have been mistreated since 1878 as sub humans. You certainly won't live that way then why should they!

Note: if you do any in depth research you will also find that with the government restriction in place, if they live off the reasurves they lose their status cards and are not allowed to participate in and government funding, grants or settlements dispersed.
And you think you have it hard, really?

If you think I am off base then ask any humanities professors in any university near you if what I said was true. I learned all this myself at the
University of Windsor.
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I don't have to apologize to anybody.

Nothing that was done to them involved me. I will not apologize for something that happened 100 yrs ago or more, that I was not part of.

That being said, if you and your buddy Justine Turdo wish to apologize for that and anything else in history (crusades, etc) have at it, but leave me out of it. Also, if you feel it necessary to compensate some group due to something that happened long before any of us were alive, again, have at it, but don't expect me to chip in.
 
Suka said:
Read someplace awhile ago that they never hunted moose until then either, we're scared of them.

Notice no one ever says/will admit the arrival of europeans effectively ended slavery in this country?
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That doesn't run with the narrative of white oppression that humanities profs love to teach.
 
scott_r said:
If you think that "Truth" is taught in universities you are fool.[/QUOTE

When I think back on my university education in the 90's (seems much worse now), some of the professors I had were incredibly biased in one direction. I'm sure everyone can guess which direction that was.
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The interesting thing about University education is that you get to explore what is written/taught and decide for yourself which is the most convincing.

There is often a conventional way of thinking, but a University is also the place to meet those who challenge conventions.

Is it perfect. Hardly. Is the posted opinion of internet warriors the God's truth. Hardly likely either.
 
In 1974 I took a year at U of S in Regina. 3 of 8 classes in Sociology. 100 and 200 level. Every single course twisted around Karl Marx versus Max Weber - original writings by those men. In the 1990's I took two more 300 level Sociology classes at U of S Saskatoon - not a single mention of the Marx/Weber polemic. What's a prairie boy supposed to think these days??? And, like high school - "thinking for yourself" does not earn very distinguishing grades, especially when the lecturer has an agenda...
 
Suka said:
Notice no one ever says/will admit the arrival of europeans effectively ended slavery in this country?
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The British had slaves.

Serious question for some of the people in this thread. If you really think the Indians have this incredible level of influence, don't you think they'd start by getting their reservations clean water?
 
Suka said:
Read someplace awhile ago that they never hunted moose until then either, we're scared of them.
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I don't know about that, I remember reading one of the early fur trade accounts of two boys (not even grown men) killing a swimming moose by putting a stick in its fundus.
 
rkm456 said:
The British had slaves.

Serious question for some of the people in this thread. If you really think the Indians have this incredible level of influence, don't you think they'd start by getting their reservations clean water?
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They don't need to get clean water, it's the taxpayers job to give it to them. They're using the money we gave them to buy pipelines and casinos and other important stuff!
 
I was moose hunting in NB, CFB Gagetown to be exact, years ago. Went for a scouting drive a week before the season. There was a convoy of First Nations truck rolling out of the training area with more moose than I have ever seen. Stopped at the Range Control shack where the DNR CO's were set up an asked, WTF. They told me it was the Native Harvast, sanctioned by the gov't. He admitted that the moose you see on the back or trucks were only 20% of the moose killed. If the animal died off the road, or in a ####ty spot, it got left to rot. Again I asked WTF. His response was, once the moose are gone, we no longer have a Native Hunting problem. Ironically enough, there were moose meat for sale signs all along the reserve the next few weeks. That was the last time I bought a moose license. It is the same for logging, salmon or lobster.
 
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