Saskatchewan putting crown land lots up for sale

coyoteking said:
You and I have vastly different experiences.

I have never seen so much varied and healthy numbers of wildlife in my life, as I've seen this year while hunting both private cultivated land, and across 4 different PFRA pastures covering 120,000 acres. I suppose the difference in experience is that I actually live out here among the wildlife rather than just visiting it for a few hours every month.
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I agree w/ coyoteking...the numbers and varied species here in the province are awesome...I have two friends that shot 2 bucks grossing well over 200 inches this fall. Where i hunted in zone 20 for draw moose, in a 5 mile radius I counted 8 moose before the opener and took my bull with 1 hour of the opener, not huge but I'm after good eats. Elk numbers in the south are growing with lots of bulls in the 400 inch mark. Waterfowl has been good, upland numbers are good. Even the whitetails are bouncing back....already seen a post off Canadian whitetail where they took a 200 incher. Even the coyote numbers are strong after a last seasons high prices prices on them.
The potential for an animal of a lifetime is very good...just sad to hear that public land is now being sold off.....for many hunters that was a good place for them to start hunting, shed hunting, nature walk, photography ect..Now people gotta beg a land owner for access.
 
These are mostly "orphan" parcels for sale. Middle of nowhere, not connected to crown pastures, you will note anything worthwhile has "conservation easement" status, can't cultivate or build on it. Generally all of them were leased so hunting status likely won't change as its the locals who leased them will be trying to buy them. Prices from the March sale were crazy, seen a few 1/4s that sold in March for sale already by folks who had buyers remorse. Sell them all, anybody who has hunted pf pasture the last few years would agree. The gov is not a friendly land owner, make friends with the locals and you have no shortage of hunting ground. Might cost you a shared bottle if you are successful, but unless you pony up and buy some land that's the cost of doing business. I don't want to pay higher taxes just so a few city folk can come out a few times a year and crack a deer on crown land. Price of a new pickup for a quarter, suck it up and buy it.
 
The government has been selling crown land since the early 80's and I know that because my dad and neighbours have been buying a little bit here and there since I can remember. The crown land around my area has been lease land since the beginning of saskatchewan. Nothing will change around here as the same people that leased it now own it and most of it is garbage land. Most land is not farmable and the carrying capacity per quarter is about 6 beef. The sale of crown land is not new. What the sask party did is let lease holders decide between buying the land for cheap or paying higher lease rates. I bought my lease land.
 
Reeferman said:
My brother still farms south east of Regina. He has shut down all hunting on his land as the last few years the theft and destruction is unreal. It still doesn't stop the morons as they just drive through fences or anything else in their way.
As oilman28 said the amount of deer, elk and bear is unbelievable. Rarely saw these back 40 years ago when I still lived there.
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I know more and more landowners around here are posting there land and not allowing anyone to hunt on it either unless they are locals. The last few years guys have been coming up from out of the area for the open elk season and cutting fences and chasing elk through standing crop etc. Pretty soon everyone is going to have there land posted around here the way things are going.
 
oilman28 said:
I know more and more landowners around here are posting there land and not allowing anyone to hunt on it either unless they are locals. The last few years guys have been coming up from out of the area for the open elk season and cutting fences and chasing elk through standing crop etc. Pretty soon everyone is going to have there land posted around here the way things are going.
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I think money should be invested into teaching those mini truck hunters to read.
Once this has been achieved actual 'no hunting' signs
Wont be completely ignored and there will be a harmonious relationship between
Landowners and hunters
 
The money's been spent on hunter safety, unfortunately when you have a dead Muley buck 75yrds from the (flat ass Saskatchewan) house, the no hunting signs go up. And when you watch dickheads cross the fence at the freshly posted no hunting sign to "we are just pushing bush" things go south. Nearly got the 50 out for that... but then you get some dude stop by with his 13 yr old wondering if they can find a Muley buck, and you say "put a round in the pipe son" and point to the antlers you been watching for three days... get the loader and help them skin it... things even out.
Until the next dickhead starts shooting towards the house.
 
Peace River said:
The money's been spent on hunter safety, unfortunately when you have a dead Muley buck 75yrds from the (flat ass Saskatchewan) house, the no hunting signs go up. And when you watch dickheads cross the fence at the freshly posted no hunting sign to "we are just pushing bush" things go south. Nearly got the 50 out for that... but then you get some dude stop by with his 13 yr old wondering if they can find a Muley buck, and you say "put a round in the pipe son" and point to the antlers you been watching for three days... get the loader and help them skin it... things even out.
Until the next dickhead starts shooting towards the house.
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sorry mate you missed the sarcasm in my post about spending money

yesterday i was out for draw cow elk.
i really dont want to bother hunting anymore,its just not worth the hassle.
7 am two trucks go driving through while i am scouting for elk.
i get back there later on tuck myself in on the edge of the bush(2 1/2hrs i sat there) and one truck and trailer
decides to cruise through the posted alfalfa field followed closely by his mate.
i make myself visible and off they go.

so i get back in my truck,rip off to another spot,nothing out.
so i rip back to my original spot
only to find two more trucks cruising through the posted land.

one farmer has felled trees along an approach to 'prevent' access,someone has taken a chainsaw
to them already.

i am tired of this and i have only been out one day

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thinking about the OP
there is a piece of wildlife land i occasionally hunt over,i would gladly buy it NOW
cause i know you cant get a truck in there
 
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heronfish said:
Closing land off to responsible, ethical hunters is such an oxymoron. Keeps out the good guys, the guys who will drive through fences will still drive through them.
Not that I blame landowners for controlling who can go on property.
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Well tell him as not one of the "ethical hunters or "good guys" have said, done or otherwise a thing to stop the "other guys" from destroying or stealing.
 
oilman28 said:
I know more and more landowners around here are posting there land and not allowing anyone to hunt on it either unless they are locals. The last few years guys have been coming up from out of the area for the open elk season and cutting fences and chasing elk through standing crop etc. Pretty soon everyone is going to have there land posted around here the way things are going.
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That's exactly whats been happening to my brother.
 
umchorn2 said:
There is no future in Saskatchewan for hunting on public land. Too many hunters and not enough "crown or wildlife lands" to go around. There is almost nowhere south of the forest fringe where a road is further than 2 miles away. Finding a place where no one has hunted is nearly impossible, which makes it difficult to find healthy populations of big or small game.

I have walked PFRA pastures of 10,000 acres many times and not seen a single ruffed grouse or sharp tailed grouse, rabbit or squirrel. Many times I have expected to see a variety of big game and have been disappointed to find empty habitat. Indeed wildlife in Saskatchewan is very low on the list when it comes to mindful and responsible resource use and management. Agriculture and ranching take the forefront when it comes to land use policies.

I have about a dozen RM maps which list public land within the southern half of the province and most Rural Municipalities have well over 300 square miles of land and absolutely no public land or wildlife lands within them. In fact in over 1000 square miles 3 RM's of land for example, there are less than 4000 acres (6 square miles) of public land to hunt. Pretty well everywhere in the southern half of Saskathcewan you need permission to hunt unless you own your own land.

So moral of the story is boys, you need to take the initiative when it comes to doing what you love. If you want to hunt join a wildlife branch, donate money yearly to your wildlife branch for habitat acquisition or take it a step further...purchase your own land and keep it natural for hunting. That's what I have done and if you value the resource, take matters into your own hands. Look at the ability to own private land as a blessing. Use it as an opportunity to make your mark on the world. Be a conservationist. Invest privately in land and protect it. Choose to protect wildlife and our hunting heritage.
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There is over 5000 acres of wildlife lands in my RM an hour away from you. The only ones who hunt it are natives.

I have had a steady stream of hunters asking for permission to hunt my farmland since September 1st. You know why, because it is far better habitat and easier to hunt than wildlife lands.

As far as game populations go you are hardly an expert. Wildlife thrives on agricultural land. Look into the amount of money that is paid to farmers for wildlife damage every year.
 
scott_r said:
Selling off native grasslands and other parcels of native habitat is shameful.. It will all get posted, then a lot of habitat will get destroyed working up the land by some rich corporation. This govt is screwing over the people of Sask...I wish I never voted for them.
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Do you think meat and bread are grown in grocery stores?
 
skhunter said:
Wildlife thrives on agricultural land. Look into the amount of money that is paid to farmers for wildlife damage every year.
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Not when it's a square mile of canola, with not a tree in sight. That field would support some mice, a coyote, and some mosquitoes.
 
skhunter said:
Do you think meat and bread are grown in grocery stores?
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How much land do we need to turn into farmland? Should we just break out the bulldozers and level SK right up to the forest fringe? We'd be able to raise more cattle and harvest more grain. I'm sure the wildlife would have no objections.
 
skhunter said:
There is over 5000 acres of wildlife lands in my RM an hour away from you. The only ones who hunt it are natives.

I have had a steady stream of hunters asking for permission to hunt my farmland since September 1st. You know why, because it is far better habitat and easier to hunt than wildlife lands.

As far as game populations go you are hardly an expert. Wildlife thrives on agricultural land. Look into the amount of money that is paid to farmers for wildlife damage every year.
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Don’t feed that troll, he is the original voice of doom, gloom and european style game management elitism!! There is no shortage of wildlife or hunting opportunities in this province. The troll has an agenda. High fence private lands and stock it then charge copious amounts to hunt it. Read some of his past posts. He actually believes there should be a license fee on roadkills?!! That a driver should have to forfeit $$ to the crown for collisions involving wildlife and the amount based on the animals trophy value?!! And the elite wondered why the people revolted and stormed the castle gates with torches and swords?!!
 
the spank said:
Don’t feed that troll, he is the original voice of doom, gloom and european style game management elitism!! There is no shortage of wildlife or hunting opportunities in this province. The troll has an agenda. High fence private lands and stock it then charge copious amounts to hunt it. Read some of his past posts. He actually believes there should be a license fee on roadkills?!! That a driver should have to forfeit $$ to the crown for collisions involving wildlife and the amount based on the animals trophy value?!! And the elite wondered why the people revolted and stormed the castle gates with torches and swords?!!
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Oh I have read his other posts, they are laughable.
 
skhunter said:
There is over 5000 acres of wildlife lands in my RM an hour away from you. The only ones who hunt it are natives.

I have had a steady stream of hunters asking for permission to hunt my farmland since September 1st. You know why, because it is far better habitat and easier to hunt than wildlife lands.

As far as game populations go you are hardly an expert. Wildlife thrives on agricultural land. Look into the amount of money that is paid to farmers for wildlife damage every year.
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You make it sound like 8 sections is a lot of habitat lands within the RM. What percentage of the RM land mass is FWDL/public lands not including the PFRA pasture which is soon to become private? Lets be serious, it's better than nothing but is not enough to actually meet the demand by hunters without having a draw for virtually all species that inhabit those lands.

Plus its not all in one block so this makes it more vulnerable to overhunting and less productive than it could be had the 5000+ acres been in block and not accessible from a road on all edges like most of the land south of the forest fringe.

I am curious...How much land do you own? What percentage of it is habitat? What do you plan on doing with the land when you no longer plan to own it? In other words do you plan to sell it, pass it down, or donate it to a conservation organization. Any conservation easements on this?
 
umchorn2 said:
You make it sound like 8 sections is a lot of habitat lands within the RM. What percentage of the RM land mass is FWDL/public lands not including the PFRA pasture which is soon to become private? Lets be serious, it's better than nothing but is not enough to actually meet the demand by hunters without having a draw for virtually all species that inhabit those lands.

Plus its not all in one block so this makes it more vulnerable to overhunting and less productive than it could be had the 5000+ acres been in block and not accessible from a road on all edges like most of the land south of the forest fringe.

I am curious...How much land do you own? What percentage of it is habitat? What do you plan on doing with the land when you no longer plan to own it? In other words do you plan to sell it, pass it down, or donate it to a conservation organization. Any conservation easements on this?
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That 5000+ acres does not include PFRA/pasture.

Like I said wildlife lands is not being utilized now because hunters know they have far higher success rates hunting agricultural land, so why would we need more?

I own 13 quarters and wildlife thrives on all of it. I also lease wildlife lands where I cut hay.

It really amazes me that you have so little knowledge about the land and wildlife so close to you.
 
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