Saskatchewan's Primitive Weapons Season. (Shotguns Anyone???)

tokguy said:
Primitive definition - 'relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something'
A Model T with a 4 cam, twin turbo, V-8 mill is not considered 'primitive' ... no more than a polymer stocked, 209 primer lit, scoped bolt action, pellet fed rifle is considered 'primitive'. Yep; it's a front stuffer, but that is about all it has in common with a Kentucky or Pennsylvania rifle.
Muddying the water with conjecture about 30-30's won't change it. The season was likely ( not speaking with absolute certainty here, as I wasn't consulted by Sask NR ) brought out as ML were not 300 yd guns, hence the amount harvested was not expected to be that great.
Some folks have to test limits; it's not like squeezing more efficiency out of a car...mpg or HP, it's supposed to be fun...
I've wondered if some folks aren't compensating for perceived short comings in their world.
Why the frantic need to push the limits?
Trying to prove something to the world? It don't care; why not just enjoy the sport, last I checked...hunting is a sport, just not a competitive one IMO
Signing off this topic; it has been done before, and now I am done with it as well
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If I choose to harvest the 1 deer I am allowed per year in muzzleloader season why should I be limited on the distance I am able to shoot?
 
skhunter said:
At one time the 30-30 was carried by most rifle hunters, then along came advancements that made possible shots that were never dreamed of.

If we want to use that same logic to ban modern muzzleloaders, then why not ban rifle calibers with more effective range than the open sighted 30-30?
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The 30-30 was already outclassed by earlier smokeless cartridges on the day it was introduced. Telescopic sights pre-date smokeless
powder. In many cases both predated seasons. Picking an iron sighted 30-30 as the base-line would be entirely arbitrary.
 
350 Mag said:
I think what we are seeing is a result of too many hunters and not enough game?

Some hunters are unsuccessful and blame it on the archers or M.L.s?

Everyone one has their own opinion as to what defines " fair chase" and everyones ethics are different.

I do think we need some restrictions...otherwise we will have remote controlled rifles and drones harvesting animals?

Where do we draw the line?

I do not think Crossbows should be allowed in Archery season.

I do not think long range scoped Muzzleloaders should be allowed in Black powder season.

I do NOT think there should be a Regular Rifle season that coincides with the Rut of Elk, Moose or Deer....that should be all draw.

I do not think a hunter should be eligible for multiple draws on different species. If you put in for Antelope, M.D, Elk or Moose and you are drawn for 1 species your application for other species should be nulled.

I do not think hunting off an ATV or road hunting from any vehicle should be allowed either. ATVs and vehicles should be used strictly for retrieval and setting up and taking down camps.

The baiting of Big Game(except Bear or Wolf) should be BANNED!!!

The use of electronic calls for hunting should be BANNED!
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I prefer to live in a province that doesn't have a strangle hold over the sportsman and want to limit hunting opportunities, thankfully we a govt that doesn't buy into the ideals you suggest.
 
Our seasons evolved into what they are. Evolution being what it is, can lead to dead ends.

Pretend that hunting had just been discovered. A meeting was called because the government wasn't going to stay out of anything.

The first proposal went something like this:
"I propose that deer hunting be divided into three seasons.
The first would be for weapons that shoot sticks, the second for weapons that load with sticks and the third for weapons that don't need any sticks. Any questions?"

What does that have to do with game management?"

Nuttin I guess.

What's with you and sticks?

I dunno, I just like sticks. You got something against personal preference?

Why should the weapons that throw sticks go first?

Cause it's the worst one. Worst is best you see. They usually wait around least 1/2 hour before they even think about looking for the deer.

Does stick hunting conserve the resource?

Not really, if they don't get one they just hunt in the next season anyway.

Regarding the stick loaders ; how bad are they?

Pretty good actually. Better than most of the shooters.

Then what's the point?

Duh; it has a stick.

Does insanity run in your family or is it just you?
 
350 Mag said:
So we should just have no rules or limits just open season year round...."brown its down".....?
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I never said that...the rules are fine as they are, we have reasonable laws that work...not archaic suppressive laws like you suggest. The species numbers aren't down because people use e callers or have long range smoke poles...number of most species are down due to back to back winter kills.
You wanna a ban on e-callers? Why? You think putting an e-caller out turns every critter into trance and they just walk in within 10 yards, if you think its that easy it shows how much time you actually use one and hunt? Maybe they should ban mouth calls as well, I know guys who call in more animals with mouth calls then e-calls.
If you wanna run to the govt and beg them for more regulations and to ban all kinds of hunting equipment..have at it man definitely not how I wish to live my life.
 
I like Dogleg's post #48. The only limit that has any consequence as far as game management is the bag limit. In Saskatchewan we are allowed one either ### whitetail deer. With a little planning and effort you should expect multiple opportunities to shoot a deer on any given day hunting with a long bow or a triple barrelled double scoped laser guided heat seeking semi auto super ultra mag. Which deer and how you harvest it should be the hunters choice.
 
At least the hand caller has to learn and develope a skill?

How much skill to play a recorded call?

Its in the same league as putting out a pile of bait and sitting 100 yards away with rifle?

Also takes alot of skill?

What about a remote controlled rifle .....over looking my bait pile....that I can control over internet?

Or a remote drone with mounted gun?
 
350 Mag said:
At least the hand caller has to learn and develope a skill?

How much skill to play a recorded call?

Its in the same league as putting out a pile of bait and sitting 100 yards away with rifle?

Also takes alot of skill?

What about a remote controlled rifle .....over looking my bait pile....that I can control over internet?

Or a remote drone with mounted gun?
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How much skill does it take to sit up a tree watching a game trail or water source?

How much skill does it take to watch a pea field?

Should these methods be banned too?
 
I don't think we have primitive weapon season anymore.

I only hear it called that from old timers. No offence. :) We can talk all day about the differences of Shotguns, crossbows, and muzzle loaders. And I would really enjoy that convo, but to be honest I feel the dates are set properly. The only season I hunt less is Rifle.. I find it crowded, but it is typically during the rut. Which is a tad bit easier to get your buck to come in to you, or find that cautious big buck with its guard down.

Muzzle loaders are really great riffles, but still have that single shot limitation. you can say the same with a crossbow, but lack the range.
Now an autoloader shotgun, say a SB Eagle II with rifled barrel. Letting slugs go at 1400 feet per second. 5 shots.... BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM....I see your complaint. not too 'primitive' but still not the same as a rifle. Would your suggestion be a smaller muzzle loader season, followed by a small shotgun season? maybe no autoloaders for shotgun season? maybe we leave it as it is? maybe we bring it back to the primitive days; flintlocks and trad bows?

Personally I think its fine... I don't hear or see much of shotgunners out there. The sooner they tag out, the better. WIN WIN. All I care about is that people are being safe, ethical, and bringing there kids with them.
 
skhunter said:
How much skill does it take to sit up a tree watching a game trail or water source?

How much skill does it take to watch a pea field?

Should these methods be banned too?
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It takes some scouting, and knowledge on where to hang your stand.

It also takes patience to sit there and wait..which is the GREATEST skill a hunter can have?

As far as pea field....well its a field....not a pile of bales, salt etc. specifically placed there to lure animal?
 
350 Mag said:
It takes some scouting, and knowledge on where to hang your stand.

It also takes patience to sit there and wait..which is the GREATEST skill a hunter can have?

As far as pea field....well its a field....not a pile of bales, salt etc. specifically placed there to lure animal?
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So a special advantage for farmland owners and their buddies.
 
I don't see any problem with archery or muzzle loader season. you don't see trucks everywhere and hear 7 shots in a few seconds. I doubt many people truck hunt with a muzzle loader and i think that's a plus.
 
350 Mag said:
It takes some scouting, and knowledge on where to hang your stand.

It also takes patience to sit there and wait..which is the GREATEST skill a hunter can have?

As far as pea field....well its a field....not a pile of bales, salt etc. specifically placed there to lure animal?
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Takes knowledge and scouting to know where to call coyotes.

Takes patience to sit and call coyotes.

Pea field lures them just the same.
 
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