Sauer 404. Nice little piece of engineering
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If you cant see the marvel of engineering for what it is, a visit to the optometrist is in order...........
What you see is aesthetics, not engineering. Engineering is to be tested by means other than looking at YouTube clip.
It is not marvel, it is delusion.
Delusion is to deny quality and overall polish of Sauer products just because it does not look like a machine gun. 404 is aimed to a very specific niche. If you think that Sauer or any other major german company is packed by idiots you are wrong. You probably don't understand what they were asked to do.
SSG 3000 which is budget "tacticool" Sauer 202 is known for quality design and accuracy. Sauer 404 is a further development of 202 and somehow it is now complete junk because it is not mauser bolt?
SSG 3000 which is budget "tacticool" Sauer 202 is known for quality design and accuracy. Sauer 404 is a further development of 202 and somehow it is now complete junk because it is not mauser bolt?
Brutus
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Does it come in a left hand variant??
Also needs the 8 shot magazine just like the Sauer 202 and with a heavy barrel made for wild boar hunting, in several calibres from 6.5 Swede to 8x57mm.
Also needs the 8 shot magazine just like the Sauer 202 and with a heavy barrel made for wild boar hunting, in several calibres from 6.5 Swede to 8x57mm.
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TERMINATOR101CA
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I don't know, I find them too fancy shmancy. Not a rifle that would suit me.
So did he get that mouse at the end of the video or not ??
So did he get that mouse at the end of the video or not ??
yes, change is hard, but welcome to the new age old timers
Germans seem to have forgotten where the good mauser originated. The only mauser they are making asks for 5 thousands and more. Why not make mauser type rifles for average folks?
They can continue to invent new, fancy rifles, but they do not have to completely erase Mauser from their production.
While I love Mauser rifles, I've had limited experience with the Sauer 303 & it's of very good to excellent quality. The breakdown is good & if caliber offerings & optics on one platform are well thought out: It would make a great one gun world traveler.
This is my personal opinion. I love fine rifles, but I don't see the appeal of the switch barrel rifles such as these.
If I want a bush gun I want something short and handy, If I want a dangerous game rifle I want the rifle to be built and fit a certain way. If I want a long range rifle again it will be built a different way. If I want a mountain rifle ect.
It's not just chamberings that have to change to make the rifle good for different uses, but the size, weight, ergonomics ect. Change as well and this is where the switch barrel rifles fail for me. You can change the cartridge, but you can't change the ergonomics to make it ideal for a completely different role.
Still a cool piece of engineering, but nothing I would have a use for. Now a traditional English style stock on a well made M98 would get me excited.
If I want a bush gun I want something short and handy, If I want a dangerous game rifle I want the rifle to be built and fit a certain way. If I want a long range rifle again it will be built a different way. If I want a mountain rifle ect.
It's not just chamberings that have to change to make the rifle good for different uses, but the size, weight, ergonomics ect. Change as well and this is where the switch barrel rifles fail for me. You can change the cartridge, but you can't change the ergonomics to make it ideal for a completely different role.
Still a cool piece of engineering, but nothing I would have a use for. Now a traditional English style stock on a well made M98 would get me excited.
Mumbles Marble Mouth
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They weight as much as a tank. Even their light weight model is heavier than a Sako 85 Bavarian in full stock.
Ar180shooter
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Agreed.
The Mauser 98 system, while robust and of excellent design, is not the be all end all of bolt actions.
Ar180shooter
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Wrong. The 85 Bavarian weighs about the same as the 404 Classic, both around 3.2kg (7lbs). You need to look at the weight of the medium/long action offerings in the Sako, not the short action models. Other models of the 85, such as the Kodiak, weigh more than the 404.
It's also worth noting that the 404 has features the 85 does not.
I don't care if the gun is to be used for mountain game, long-range hunting, dangerous game or shooting into space. The way the rifle fits does not change from one type of use to another...a rifle that fits me will work for any purpose that I will want a hunting rifle to serve. I'm as much a fan as the next guy when it comes to having a couple of gunsafes full of largely redundant rifles for different purposes, but the fact is that a single switch-barrel, with only a couple or a few different chamberings available, will do the job at least as well as the full-on collection of specialty rifles will. Shooting everything with the same well-fitting gun, using the same trigger, same ergonomics and same "feel" has huge advantages.
But for me, an equally large part of the appeal of this gun is the tiny size of the package in which it fits when taken down. Go through an airport just once with a 26- or 30-inch long gun case, and then try to tell me that you prefer the 40- or 50-inch job you need for your old Mauser.
All the other features are less important, but still have their value. I don't care that much for detachable magazines, but the one on this gun looks pretty safe against accidental release or loss. The manual cocking/decocking safety is wonderful when you get used to it. The Sauer proprietary scope mounting system is supposed to be perfect return-to-zero. I know, I know, that's "impossible"...except it isn't. Blaser has a scope mount that does indeed return to zero with no perceptible shift, so it seems reasonable that Sauer can do the same.
I like traditional and history in my guns. If I want to hunt with a gun that has those attributes, it won't be a bolt gun at all...I'll use a falling block single, or a muzzle loader, or even one of them futuristic lever guns that hold more than one shell! But if you want the perfect tool for the job...and if you are honest with yourself...it's pretty hard not to see the advantages offered by modern rifles of this type.
But for me, an equally large part of the appeal of this gun is the tiny size of the package in which it fits when taken down. Go through an airport just once with a 26- or 30-inch long gun case, and then try to tell me that you prefer the 40- or 50-inch job you need for your old Mauser.
All the other features are less important, but still have their value. I don't care that much for detachable magazines, but the one on this gun looks pretty safe against accidental release or loss. The manual cocking/decocking safety is wonderful when you get used to it. The Sauer proprietary scope mounting system is supposed to be perfect return-to-zero. I know, I know, that's "impossible"...except it isn't. Blaser has a scope mount that does indeed return to zero with no perceptible shift, so it seems reasonable that Sauer can do the same.
I like traditional and history in my guns. If I want to hunt with a gun that has those attributes, it won't be a bolt gun at all...I'll use a falling block single, or a muzzle loader, or even one of them futuristic lever guns that hold more than one shell!
But if you want the perfect tool for the job...and if you are honest with yourself...it's pretty hard not to see the advantages offered by modern rifles of this type.
